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Dynastar Intuitiv 74

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ski Make: Dynastar
Ski Model: Intuitiv 74
Ski Length: 182 cm
Snow Conditions Used In: cut-up powder, packed powder, hardpack
Number of Days Used: 1
Your Ability: level 8
How Many Years Have You Been Skiing: 40
Avg. Days per Year Skiing: 20
Other Skis You Like: Volkl G31 & P40 Platinum, Atomic TenEX
Your Height/Weight: 5'-11"/180 lbs
I demo'd these skis today along with the Atomic's reviewed separately. These are marketed as a mid-fat or all-mountain ski, although at 74mm waist, they are either a heavy mid-fat or a skinny fat ski. Overall, these skis were great! One of the best carvers I've skied. Haven't felt that railed sensation since I last skied my old Dynastar G9's. The edge hold on these skis is phenomenal! Don't know for sure if it was just a great tune job or the Autodrive feature, but these skis held the hardpack and ice like they were a 63mm waisted slalom ski.

This is a rather funny looking ski with Dynastar's pintail design, they are quite wide at the tip and much narrower at the tail. They also feature a strong tip with a rather soft tail. The Autodrive feature is a beefy sidewall construction under the foot with a plate under the heel piece. The plate allows the binding heel piece to move slightly, thus allowing the ski to flex more freely.

The ski handled the cut-up crud with ease. Very solid when up to cruising speed. Like most upper-level skis, it needs a little speed to get started. Not a gentle crusier, IMHO. The more speed I gave it, the better it handled. The soft tail made it an effective bump ski, but some might find the tail too soft. A couple of times, I lost the back end of the skis because there wasn't anything to push against. This ski rewards a good carve technique. Better at longer GS turns, it will go short, but you need to really be on top of the ski. It doesn't like to skid; however,the soft tail does provide some forgiveness, if you get into the back seat. I felt really good on this ski at the begining of the afternoon, but when I got tired and stopped driving the ski, it wouldn't relax with me. Although not a 'real' fat ski, with the wide tip and the 74mm waist, this ski could handle most powder days.

This is one of the best 'all-mountain' skis I've tried. Other than the really deep powder, this ski will truely go anywhere. This would be a perfect east coast do-it-all ski. Could handle the worst boiler plate and still give you great performance on those powder days. Caveat: you better be willing to carve all the time.

Update 1/1/03
Snow Conditions Used In: 6 - 8 inches powder, cut-up powder.

After my demo experience, bought a pair of 182's at the end of last season. Yesterday was my first skiing them in any real powder (as opposed to the "leftovers" I had when I demo'd last year). Was very, very happy with the skis! Good float, effortless turns in the pow Given that most 'dumps' that I seem to get at Copper are 12" or less, and quickly get skiied out, these skis are doing just what I want them to do. Enough float and quickness for the boot high or slightly higher stuff (even did a bit of tree skiing in deeper snow and they were great - quick & responsive), more than enough power to blast through the crud, and great carving ability when back front side.

recommendation: [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

[ January 02, 2003, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: Tag ]
post #2 of 18
I did see your review of the 10ex, but any apecific thoughts on the 74's vs. the 10ex's, especially on groomers, moguls?

Reading between the lines, it sounds like things went the way one would expect for two high quality but different types of ski, ie, the narrower ski was better on the groomers.

While I'm pummeling you with questions ... you say that you like P40's. How bout comparing them to the 74's on hardpack. Do they again behave the way one would expect, ie, the 74 is good on hardpack (for a mid-fat), but the p40's are better?

Tom / PM

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 29, 2001 07:33 PM: Message edited 1 time, by PhysicsMan ]</font>
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Tom/PM, guess that depends on what you mean by "better". The P40 and the 74 are just different (sorry for the non-answer answer). Keelty calls the P40 "perhaps the 'universal' ski". If you are talking about just staying on the front side of the mountain, I would agree. You want to ski fast, slow, skid or carve, some bumps, some cut-up crud or spend the day on the groomers, the P40 will do it. It won't shine on the race course (well, maybe Masters or NASTAR) nor in the deep powder. If you want to ski fast, carve, do some bumps, some cut-up crud, some boilerplate (race course or otherwise), or even some powder stashes, IMHO the 74 would be a great choice.

The 74 vs. the TenEX is as you speculated. The 74 was much better on the groomed and hardpack. Better edge hold and more willing to vary turn shape. The narrower and softer tail on the 74 makes it a better bump ski too. If I could spend my day in untouched powder like AC and the rest of the Tahoe gang are doing these days, I'd be on the TenEX. With the crowds at Copper today, what powder we had was tracked out by 10:00am.

For me, I'm an old fashioned skier who skids as much as I carve. I have young kid just starting out to ski with, a teenager who thinks turns are for wimps, and Mrs. Tag who rarely ventures off the green and blue groomers. My perfect ski will skid, rip big GS carves, be equally responsive at 5 mph and 35 mph, do some bumps, handle the icy hardpack, and will let me tackle the back bowls when the occasional big dumps come in. I haven't found that ski yet. If money was no concern, and I could even find some P40's at a price I'd be willing to pay, my quiver would be a pair of the P40's and a pair of the TenEX's. The P40's for all my family skiing, and the TenEX's for those days when my family admits my addiction and sleeps in while I head for the first chair up. Loong answer - sorry for the wordiness. Hope that gives you the info you were looking for.
post #4 of 18
I've ridden the p-40 and the 74 as well. I rode them both the same day and back to back.
The 74 was an awesome ski! I rode it just after riding the 69c. The 69 was miserable in crud. I thought I'd lost my touch. I took the 74 to the same spot and it ripped through. The 74 has power in crud. It tears through the crud and floated the powder better than most. I enjoyed it on the hard pack, though it did slip on one turn.
The p40 on the other hand never left the hardpack while on my feet. To be honest I hate the hard pack, but I got on it with the p40's and it changed me. They were amazing!! They linked short, highspeed turns faster than I could see. Back and forth and back and forth, all before I could blink. They were incredible!!
Both amazing skis. If you spend all your time on the hard stuff the p40 is it! But if you like the crud or even the powder the 74 is what you want.
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oops, see update above.
post #6 of 18
I'm sorry I feel compelled to do this, but . . .

It's great to read that someone has got themselves a pair of skis that handles the whole mountain - the one pair to have when you're having only one. Having that in mind, I've demoed the Intuitiv 74 and - as I've blared often before on this site - the Rossignol Bandit XX. It's quite appropriate to compare the two, as they both have 74 mm waists and they basically are targeted to the same market.

The Bandit XX wins hands down, in my book. It handles all size and shape turns at all speeds, in addition to plowing throw crud and deeper snow. It has confidence building edge grip on hard snow and ice. When I ride it like a GS ski, it feels and acts like a GS ski. When my wife is companion on the slopes, I ski it slowly with short turns. It's quick edge to edge - well, maybe not like a shorty slalom, but still quick. In every feature that the above report describes one of the stronger aspects of the Intuitiv 74, the Bandit XX also shines. In every feature that the above report describes as one of the WEAKER aspects of the Intuitiv 74 - the Bandit XX shines. If there is something about the Rossi Bandit XX not to like, it has thus far eluded me.

The only two models of skis that have so far challenged my affection for the XX are the Rossignol RPM 21 [basically, the XX with a plate] and the K2 Axis XP, a wider ski lacking short turn desires but giving one of the most really, really smooth, forgiving and solid rides I've had on skis, at high speeds or slower speeds.

Again, my apolgies . . . sometimes I just can't help myself.
post #7 of 18
oboe and others- how would you think the XX and the 74 would handle for a very light skier? I am 5'8", but only 125 lbs (yes, that is not a mistyping); level 8 skier, currently on Volant Ti Powers that I still like very much. I have also been thinking about the G3's or Vertigo Motions, and the Volant vertex or gravity 71's. I ski mostly at the Front Range areas (Vail, A-Basin, Breck), but my favorites remain Snowbird and Alta, and I prefer the bowls, not the bumps. I cannot afford to get several pairs (at least according to my wife!) so I need one ski that will do it all.
post #8 of 18
the problem w/ xx's is that they're shoddy construction and are likely to blow to bits when you hit a sizeable rock. they're world renown for this. the dynastar however, has been a brutally resilient ski.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
dp, While I really like my 74's as much as Oboe likes his XX's, my .02 is that the XX's would probably be a better ski for a lighter weight skier. But that depends a bit on how aggressive you are as a skier (which only you can determine). I haven't skied the Bandit XX yet, but judging from comments made on this board and from speaking with others who have skied it, the XX is a damp, forgiving ski. I thnk Pierre Eh says that it even rewards bad technique. IMHO, the 74 really rewards good carving technique. However, now that I have skied it for several days, I'm finding that the ski is more forgiving than I found it to be on my one day of demoing. I can ski it a little more slowly and skid it a bit without feeling like the ski is fighting me. My inference, again from other's comments, is that the 74 has a better "top end" than the XX, but I'm sure others will dispute that. As Oboe said, neither of these skis is exactly a short-turn slalom ski.

Finally, length is critical on these skis. Given your height and weight, I think you'd want to be on the 167 or at most the 175 length Intuitiv or the 160 or 170 XX. Again, it depends on how agressively you ski and if you want that little bit of extra length for stability at speed.
post #10 of 18
dp, at your weight, stay with the XX in 160 or the 74 in 167 - but the 160 would be better at 125 pounds. Demoing, as always, is the best test.

r, you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine. It's my opinion that you're wrong. Both of these - the XX and the 74 - have excellent construction, and there's no difference in their durability. If I eventually have an experience with my own XX's that shows otherwise, I'll post that information prominently on this web site.
post #11 of 18
If you get chance to demo try the Atomic 10:20 as well.
post #12 of 18
Originally posted by dp:
oboe and others- how would you think the XX and the 74 would handle for a very light skier? I am 5'8", but only 125 lbs (yes, that is not a mistyping); level 8 skier, currently on Volant Ti Powers that I still like very much. I have also been thinking about the G3's or Vertigo Motions, and the Volant vertex or gravity 71's. I ski mostly at the Front Range areas (Vail, A-Basin, Breck), but my favorites remain Snowbird and Alta, and I prefer the bowls, not the bumps. I cannot afford to get several pairs (at least according to my wife!) so I need one ski that will do it all.
I am about your weight (5'6" and 122 lbs) and demo'd XX in 170 cm. Very easy to ski, damp and stable, however, a bit boring. Also tried G3, about the same length - it was OK, but I did not like it in deep snow.

Finally I got a pair of Tenex in 167 - this is one awesome ski! especially for back bowls, pow, crud. Not very good in bumps, but one cannot expected everything from one pair of skis.
post #13 of 18
Originally posted by NM:
....one cannot expected everything from one pair of skis.
Actually, the XX comes very close to that.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
As does the Intuitiv too....
post #15 of 18
I havent tried the Intuitiv 74, but have demoed the Bandit XX back to back with the Atomic 11.20 and Crossmax10's. The 11.20's and Crossmax were much better carvers on the groomers which is expected since they are narrower skis. The 11.20's felt much quicker and more responsive on and off piste than the XX's. To me, the XX's just felt too planky and boring. It was like riding SUV vs a sports car when you compared it to the 11.20's and Crossmax.

I want an easy to ride ski, but not something that is takes away all the feel and sensations of the snow.
post #16 of 18
need some advice

at copper mtn

i ski the fischer 74's 183's for the last 2 years. i find that i need to be on them all the time for them to ski right.i am 56 years old 5'10" 165 lbs with a bad back but in good shape. ski the whole mtn. when i get tired the fischers do not ski well.
i demoed the intuitive 74 and the xx's last month in vail only on the front side. like both but thought 74's had more life.

any suggestions welcomed,


post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
robert, as I have spent more time on my 74's, I'm adjusting to them enough to be more comfortable with them when I relax and ski easy and I think they are more forgiving than I first thought. However, I still think they need a bit of speed and push to be really responsive, so I wouldn't recommend them for a slow day blue cruiser's. I'd get my Volkl P40's out for that. If you find the Bandit XX to be too damp, check out the K2 Axis XP or try the Atomic R:EX in a really short length, like 167 or so.
post #18 of 18
The Bandit XX is a very lively ski. If you find the XX too damp, you'll find the Axis XP sopping wet.
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