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More and more skier are now buying sub-standard skis that are mass produced in factories that contract with multiple brands. Here's my two cents on how to carve through this slippery slope:

 

http://moiztalk.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-not-to-buy-when-buying-skis.html

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Originally Posted by Moiz View Post

More and more skier are now buying sub-standard skis that are mass produced in factories that contract with multiple brands. Here's my two cents on how to carve through this slippery slope:

 

http://moiztalk.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-not-to-buy-when-buying-skis.html


You blogged, but I'm not sure you really said anything of substance that was backed up with any true knowledge about ski's or their construction.

 

You also make broad assumptions about how ski brands that are owned by larger holding companies strategically operate. None of these assumptions are based on any facts beyond the corporate structure at the very top level.

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I don't have any problem with the 'quality' of skis or most anything else made in China, but I do have issues with the back ending of things like environmental controls, worker health, etc... For that reason, I will not ski anything made in China. There are many many good choices made in developed countries where workers have basic protections, health care, and the manufacture must meet environmental control standards (anti-pollution, etc..), building standards, etc.... I won't participate the race to the bottom so long as I can avoid it. Sadly, it's nearly impossible to do with clothing and computer hardware. Now if K2 and the like moved production to NE China and was active in developing the sport so it's own workers and their families might participate (and not just milking out a few extra bucks for share holders and management) I'd happily re-think things.

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markojp,  I agree.  The only one I know of so far that totally take care of their employees is Ski Logic.

Check out Exotic skis review on the occam razor where he describes how well they treat their workers.

It is nice to see when we know what goes on in many of these factories in different parts of the world.

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I'm not bothered in the least where a product is made...we're all part of a global economy, so if China can produce skis cheaper, then we will buy more skis, or TVs or IPods, and that means US companies who produce in China or elsewhere make more money and stay in business which in turn means MORE jobs for Americans, not less.

All this hand wringing about things made out of the US is a bunch of malarky...and all this BS about China creating inferior quality products is also pure progaganda. K2, Salomon and many others have had no more or less quality issues now that they produce in China than before.
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I'm not bothered in the least where a product is made...we're all part of a global economy, so if China can produce skis cheaper, then we will buy more skis, or TVs or IPods, and that means US companies who produce in China or elsewhere make more money and stay in business which in turn means MORE jobs for Americans, not less.

All this hand wringing about things made out of the US is a bunch of malarky...and all this BS about China creating inferior quality products is also pure progaganda. K2, Salomon and many others have had no more or less quality issues now that they produce in China than before.

 

 

Seen the smog in Beijing lately? That's one of the reason's why everything is produced for less there... the back ending of environmental controls/standards. But in the end, our energy costs are now much cheaper than China's. So much so that moving a container +time across the Pacific is no longer the straightest path the the showroom floor.  I don't buy the whole 'gobal economy' so long as political freedoms and justice systems/rules of law AREN'T even roughly commensurate. YM and conscience MV. 

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Seen the smog in Beijing lately? That's one of the reason's why everything is produced for less there... the back ending of environmental controls/standards. But in the end, our energy costs are now much cheaper than China's. So much so that moving a container +time across the Pacific is no longer the straightest path the the showroom floor.  I don't buy the whole 'gobal economy' so long as political freedoms and justice systems/rules of law AREN'T even roughly commensurate. YM and conscience MV. 


I'm stoked. I can hate on their stuff and still be on the high road. 'Course I knew that.

post #10 of 17

The Chinese economy will eventually be larger than our own, perhaps by 2018.  They will eventually pollute more, too.  All emerging countries have an insatiable appetite for energy once the population can afford stuff that runs on electricity (coal) and oil, like TVs and autos.  This is true of all of Asia including the countries that are no longer emerging.  But are the goods inferior?  When I was a kid "Made in Japan" was synonymous with junk.  When I was in college the Japanese started to kick our butts because they were building better quality goods.  There is no reason why good skis can't be built in China with good quality control.  The process is basic and the materials are already sourced from all over the world (skis are really global with the bases from Europe, wood cores from the US and Europe, etc.).  For marketing reasons it certainly sounds better to say, "These skis were made by workers who breathed the clean air of Chamonix" instead of, "Made by workers in a crappy town 60km from Beijing."  Either way, the workers are making an appropriate wage for the skill necessary for the job.  If the wages equate to slave labor and the conditions equates to sweatshop standards, good corporate governance demands the skis should be made elsewhere. 

 

I don't think Howard Head in 1947 envisioned his company would be public...with shares traded in Vienna.  I don't think the Kirshner brothers in 1961 thought K2 would eventually become under control of a British investor (Jarden owns K2), or would have the previous owners produce skis in China starting over a decade ago.  But hey, business is business.


Edited by quant2325 - 1/25/13 at 5:52pm
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Sorry, I just can't take anyone who uses the word 'Skies' instead of 'Skis' seriously when it comes to speaking intelligently about skiing. I pretty much stopped reading there...

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Sorry, I just can't take anyone who uses the word 'Skies' instead of 'Skis' seriously when it comes to speaking intelligently about skiing. I pretty much stopped reading there...

 

You got further than I did.  I couldn't get past "More and More skier are...."nonono2.gif

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And then there's the "handcrafted" thing. That's what I like about my Kastles; made by elderly Austrian gnomes, smoking their clay pipes as they whittle out the cores with pocket knives and glue them with magic potions. Contrasted with those heathen Commie robotic outsourced, ah (hate it when I run out of adjectives) guys...roflmao.gif

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And then there's the "handcrafted" thing. That's what I like about my Kastles; made by elderly Austrian gnomes, smoking their clay pipes as they whittle out the cores with pocket knives and glue them with magic potions. Contrasted with those heathen Commie robotic outsourced, ah (hate it when I run out of adjectives) guys...roflmao.gif


This seems to miss the mark, with Europe using and discussing advanced manufacturing methods and materials while a company located in China is using (gratuitous) handmade marquetry in top sheets.  So the handmade gimmick is coming out of cheap labor and old methods, not the Kaestle factory.  Handmade in Europe means individual attention to each ski somewhere along the production line, I believe.

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This seems to miss the mark, with Europe using and discussing advanced manufacturing methods and materials while a company located in China is using (gratuitous) handmade marquetry in top sheets.  So the handmade gimmick is coming out of cheap labor and old methods, not the Kaestle factory.  Handmade in Europe means individual attention to each ski somewhere along the production line, I believe.


I believe that not even Kastle is coming out of the old Kastle factory. I remember reading that they are actually being produced by Head. With Nordica being produced out of the old Kastle factory.

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I believe that not even Kastle is coming out of the old Kastle factory. I remember reading that they are actually being produced by Head. With Nordica being produced out of the old Kastle factory.

Head makes Kastle. Nordica is made in the Blizzard factory. Nothing comes out of the old Kastle factory. Dynafit skis used to come out of the Blizzard factory now they're produced by Fischer. Atomic makes most of the Salomon's and a bunch of Armadas. Blizzard now makes a few models of Armada. Elan produces most 4frnts. Last I heard the Fischer factory actually manufactured the most skis but that was a few years ago.
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More and more skier are now buying sub-standard skis that are mass produced in factories that contract with multiple brands. Here's my two cents on how to carve through this slippery slope:

 

http://moiztalk.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-not-to-buy-when-buying-skis.html

 

 

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This writeup is not about answering what type of ski you need for your style and skill level. I claim very little expertise in this field.

Thanks for warning me.  I stopped reading right there.

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