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Thread Starter 
Sure it's a bit early to think about spring conditions, but as I was skiing today my mind wandered to things waxing. Been at this sport for eight seasons and have waxed my own skis for the last five. Until this season, I've just use SWIX's general wax (warm). Then I discovered the benefits of their colder weather wax for those sub 28* days-CF7. We don't get real cold days in the Sierras. So my question is: will I be benefited by using a wax designed for spring conditions-like Swix's CF9, (or a 10 if such a product is made) for those sticky snow afternoons.
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Double post for some mysterious reason. confused.gif Please delete this on Mods.

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Sure you will benefit with wax for right temperature range, and you would benefit even more with HF waxes, but question is, does it really matter? ;) Nowadays I use single wax for all conditions (Swix CH7 for alpine and Swix CH8 for xc). I know they are not perfect most of time, but it's good enough. Main point is, skis are well maintained and they work ok. It's not best option, but it's easiest, and nowadays it doesn't matter for me if I'm a little bit slower or faster. I did my share of wax/ski testing, waxing numbers of layers of HF waxes and powders on single ski etc, when I was working in World cup, but now it's just fun skiing, and seconds doesn't count anymore.

So you have to answer this question yourself... does it matter to bother with this? If answer is yes, then sure go for it. If no, then just don't bother and keep on using CH7 and be fraction of second slower. It's still not going to be that slow, that you would make run or two less in a day because of this. ;)

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Just wanted to check..your post says "CF7"   - do you by any chance mean CH7 (violet hydrocarbon), or by some chance do you mean FC7 (violet fluoro)?

post #5 of 8
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I don't really mind being a bit slower. I ski for fun. The main reason I ask is that my wife hates the stickiness of the afternoon snow during spring conditions. With that said, I'll just get some warm temp wax and experiment come mid-March. And yea, I meant CH, not CF. Thanks for the info
post #6 of 8

CH 10 (there is no CH 9 that I know of) will work better than CH 7 when the air temps are more than a few degrees above freezing and the snow temps are right below 32. Is it enough of a difference to bother with? Opinions will differ.


None of the regular (non-fluoro HC) waxes are that great once you get real wet snow with lots of melting and super high water content

post #7 of 8
Originally Posted by Mr5150 View Post

my wife hates the stickiness of the afternoon snow during spring conditions

I am not fond of it either. For those conditions, I use a fluoro rub on from Dominator called Butter. It lasts a few runs then you reapply. The process is a bit of a nuisance but you get much better skiing in very sticky snow. Other companies may make something comparable but I don't know them.


You could always also use a very high fluoro hot wax and get better durability. The wax is MUCH more expensive and you ought to use a respirator during the hot wax process. I usually encounter the real wet snow on travel at year end so I usually just use regular wax and the Butter.

Edited by vsirin - 1/24/13 at 8:57am
post #8 of 8

I've almost zero experience with Dominator - can't speak to that. 


I find that Hertel does rather well in the conditions you describe; their Hot Sauce is OK, their Spring Solution is useful, their FC739 is excellent.    They're all quite affordable. 


Alternatively, if you have a good stock of Swix UNI wax (warm) left, you could get some Zardoz Notwax and combine the two using what Zardoz call the Felix process:


You probably already know this- there are two things NONE of those waxes will help with 


1) free-water suction.   Skiing through Slurpees will still feel like skiing through Slurpees, not like proper snow.


2) cross-travel grabbiness, where the ski is pointed in a direction other than the direction of travel of the CoM.    Fatter skis and more rocker can help with this, but it's really a technique issue. 

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