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Any thoughts on Kastle MX70 vs MX78? Also thoughts on what ski waist in general.

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I'm looking for skis for mostly on-piste skiing in Europe. Probably wouldn't be skiing between trees at all. I'm 5' 10" and just below 160 lbs and a solid intermediate skier who hasn't had the chance to ski last year. This year I will have at least two full weeks of skiing with some occasional weekend trips.

 

Given the huge amount of praise for the Kastle lineup, I have somewhat focused on them but I'm also looking into Movement Jam or Source and Elan Amphibios (not set on which waist) and I would be open to suggestions. I'm trying to figure what dimensions I should choose in general. I'm aware the Kastles are a 'premium' product but given I have to travel to any decent mountains, I figure I might just as well bite the bullet. I intend to keep any skis for quite a while, at least a few years (think 3 or more) and only have the one pair.

 

I feel a narrower waist is more suited because I'm not an expert skier and I will probably be skiing through all kinds of snow within the same day. So I was thinking MX78 should be more suited to me than MX88. look at even narrower skis such as MX70 which can be found second hand? I would appreciate thoughts on this. I'm looking at 2012 models, would I be mistaken to suppose elliptical cut on 2013 models would make much difference to me. I'm not an aggressive skier, so I'm considering 168 cm length, but I would like to see your thoughts on that as well.

 

Thanks in advance for any comments.

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The answer will depend on what you mean by "all kinds of snow", although you say you're staying "mostly on piste".  For European on piste conditions, from ice up to a good few inches of fresh snow, the MX78 in 168cm would be ideal.  Since you're only looking at a single pair of skis you'll gain versatility (and not really give up anything on piste) with the 78 over the 70.  Since you're skiing mostly on piste the 78 will be more suited than the 88.  The 78 will grow with you as you improve your skiing, all the way up to 'expert'. 

 

Unless you test them back-to-back you won't notice the difference between the elliptical and dual sidecut skis (and maybe not even then).  Look for the best deal you can find.

 

If you find yourself demoing (or renting) Kastle skis you might give the LX82 a try alongside the MX78.  The LX will work better for a lighter / less aggressive skier.  Trying them back to back will give you a sense between the two.  If you can't demo it would be hard to go wrong with either ski, although the MX is my pick.

 

Best of luck.


Edited by sinbad7 - 1/21/13 at 10:13pm
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Of the skis you mentioned I've skied the MX78, Jam and Source. Although the Source will do shorter carved turns it's too wide for mostly on piste skiing imo.  The Jam is a unique and fantastic ski on anything but really hard conditions. It's so quick to turn yet skis deeper snow as well. The MX78 is good in variable conditions, you can take it anywhere.  I found it lacking as a firm snow carver as the tip just didn't want to pull across the fall line in high angle carves like I was looking for. 

 

So what's the right choice? Unless you want to race carve hard snow all day I'd get the Jam in 173. It turns easily don't be afraid of the length. If you really want a hard snow carver skip all these and find a pair of Head Supershapes in 165. Carves anything and will go off piste to a degree. (SS plus Jam is a great two ski quiver).  Neither of these are available in the US so you're lucky Europe still offers narrower skis. 

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In all the reviews I've read about the MX78 I think that's the first time I've read "... found it lacking as a firm snow carver".  Usually the opposite is the case, more like "these things carve firm snow like a full-on race ski".

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To each his own.  I may have different standards.  Many skis carve fine at the bottom the turn, not as many at the top.

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i find once you ski more assertively on the mx78 it bites along the turn very well.

 

at first, however, i didn't like them and was a bit disappointed.  I wasn't in the 'balance then bend 'em' assertive mindset...if i was a bit lazy, then like a horse they bucked me to smarten up with it's stiff tail (i even inquired to philhaus about '''detuning the tail''  rolleyes.gif )...but once I found how to better appreciate them and rode them more assertively, with good balanced technique, then they really opened up and I started to really enjoy them.

 

they are user friendly too, don't get me wrong, but just when you load them up confidently, then they respond appropriately as they do have a sporty nature.

 

i also agree with one other poster to try the softer LX series ...personally i've always wanted to check out how the lx82 and mx78

really differ in a side by side...or even the lx 82 and the mx83.

 

lastly i wouldn't look at anything under 78mm in the waist...that width can still be great on groomers as well as when you get some fresh soft snow too...more versatile a width, imo.

 

this is not what you asked for, but for skiing in different snow conditions the same day, and also for a fab carver that is versatile (also lighter  than kastle mx 78 due to no titanal) is the nordica steadfast in a 90mm waist....i have both...love 'em both, too....or even the kastle lx92 if you wish to stay with that brand.

 

sorry you didn't mention specifically what you mean by 'different snow conditions' so my suggestions could be totally wrong too.


Edited by canali - 1/22/13 at 4:25pm
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For your European On-Piste one ski quiver I easily suggest the Movement Jams 173cm. I also have skied the Kastles and Movement Jams, Sources and personally prefer the Jams. You have easy access to the Movement Skis in Europe. They were not imported into the USA this year. Good luck, JMD.

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have read lots of good things on that ski too....seems to be one of harold harb's favourites as per his own reviews, too, if I recall correctly.

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For your European On-Piste one ski quiver I easily suggest the Movement Jams 173cm. I also have skied the Kastles and Movement Jams, Sources and personally prefer the Jams. You have easy access to the Movement Skis in Europe. They were not imported into the USA this year. Good luck, JMD.

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