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Factory Bevel angles

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 

I bought a pair of Rossi world cup masters am trying to find the factory setting for the edge bevels and what Rossi recommends for the ski. I was going to have them tuned, they had no grip on an icy gs coarse. 

post #2 of 24

   In my experience with tuning Rossi race skis, they typically come with a 1/2 from the factory. These are the gs cheater? What's the radius?

 

    zenny

post #3 of 24

EpicSki should have a thread listing factory bevels.  This info should be more readily available.

 

Maybe this could be that thread.

 

According to the shop that sold me Volkl Racetiger Speedwall SL's, they come with a 1/2.

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post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post

EpicSki should have a thread listing factory bevels.  This info should be more readily available.

 

Maybe this could be that thread.

 

According to the shop that sold me Volkl Racetiger Speedwall SL's, they come with a 1/2.

   I will say that in my experience,  1&2 is damn-near universal for intermediate to race (not necescarilly fis, though...my 2013 volkl 165 fis's came FLAT, ie 0&90 (they went so far as to put a sticker on the wrapper to "warn" me)...also, atomics are said to come at 1/3, tho this is not always the case. I have tuned rossi wc165 sl's that came 1/2...couldn't figure out why they would put  on a 1 base, as most racers I know prefer a .5 or .7 on their sl's...

 

   Maybe we should do a list......? Anyone else interested?

 

     zenny

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This list was last updated 5 years ago.

post #7 of 24
anyone else see other manufacturers leaving fis level skis (besides volkl) flat? no pattern, even??

zenny
post #8 of 24
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anyone else see other manufacturers leaving fis level skis (besides volkl) flat? no pattern, even??

zenny

Wouldn't FIS level skis be provided flat and unstructured to the racer's tuner? I would assume every competitor/tuner would have their own specs.  I don't know--I'm asking.

post #9 of 24
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Wouldn't FIS level skis be provided flat and unstructured to the racer's tuner? I would assume every competitor/tuner would have their own specs.  I don't know--I'm asking.

  Not the one's I've seen when tuning for regional points skiers....seems they have a standard pattern/bevel. Though of course, at a higher level...

My point is, a fis legal GS  for instance, should come 0/90. Maybe Volkl's leading the charge? OR I just got lucky---not really sure as I'm outta the loop these days...

 

  I did talk to the us Volkl rep a few years back at a gathering and he asked for some input. I suggested that sending them flat  (not beveled base or side) was a good idea, and he said that he had had many others saying the same...Perhaps it didn't fall on deaf ears.

 

   Time to petition other manufacturers roflmao.gif?

   

  P.s. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't  personally know a single slalom racer that wants a 1* base....wee babes asidewink.gif

     

     zentune


Edited by zentune - 1/22/13 at 7:27pm
post #10 of 24
I rarely race (and I seem to have slow times despite feeling like I'm the fastest racer on the course) but I prefer a zero degree base and a three degree edge. I just like the feel. I've been told that my edge tune could slow me down. But for what I enjoy doing on the hill, that's OK. I'm glad some skis come at zero.
Eric
post #11 of 24

Fischer GS race stock normally come with a good 0.7/3 out of the box.  

post #12 of 24
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Fischer GS race stock normally come with a good 0.7/3 out of the box.  

   Great scotsskier...anyone else with race stock (fis legal) bevel info? Recreational? Seems the link above is still fairly accurate.....albeit incomplete  (MANY new models since then!!!). A revised list would be helpful for many.

 

     zenny

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by zentune View Post

   Great scotsskier...anyone else with race stock (fis legal) bevel info? Recreational? Seems the link above is still fairly accurate.....albeit incomplete  (MANY new models since then!!!). A revised list would be helpful for many.

 

     zenny

 

I must own up to never measuring new Atomic race stock (eek.gif!) but, like fischers,  they have invariably skied well straight out of the wrapper and are supposed to be at 1/3.  (Although for tech skis I prefer a smaller base angle)  Most Rossi/dynastar and Head  race stock I have had have required some work first.  When I used salomon race, they used to require to be prepped first as well.  I assume that now that they are just rebadged Atomic they should be good to go?

 

Atomicman has a lot of info on this as well

post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 

they are a cheater and the radius is 18 solid ski

post #15 of 24
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I must own up to never measuring new Atomic race stock (eek.gif!) but, like fischers,  they have invariably skied well straight out of the wrapper and are supposed to be at 1/3.  (Although for tech skis I prefer a smaller base angle)  Most Rossi/dynastar and Head  race stock I have had have required some work first.  When I used salomon race, they used to require to be prepped first as well.  I assume that now that they are just rebadged Atomic they should be good to go?

 

Atomicman has a lot of info on this as well

   Hoping to hear from A man on this, for sure!!  Most race atomics I've seen are 1/3...though I've tuned some recreationals for friends (can't remember off the top of my head which models rolleyes.gif)  which were 1/2...measured using svst's pro bevel meter---sidewalls planed first, of course!

 

   zenny

post #16 of 24
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they are a cheater and the radius is 18 solid ski

   Most likely 1/2, then....

 

 

    zenny

post #17 of 24
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they are a cheater and the radius is 18 solid ski

if you are getting them ground start at 0.7/3.  If you are just getting them tuned, get a 3 on the side edge

post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

 

I must own up to never measuring new Atomic race stock (eek.gif!) but, like fischers,  they have invariably skied well straight out of the wrapper and are supposed to be at 1/3.  (Although for tech skis I prefer a smaller base angle)  Most Rossi/dynastar and Head  race stock I have had have required some work first.  When I used salomon race, they used to require to be prepped first as well.  I assume that now that they are just rebadged Atomic they should be good to go?

 

Atomicman has a lot of info on this as well

For Dynastar I found a chart that indicated the following for 10-11

 

DH  b-1 s-2,  dulling roughly 2" to 4" tip and tail

SG same dulling 1" to 3" tip and tail

GS b-0.7 or 1 s-3 no dulling

SL b-0.5 or 1 s-3 or 4 no dulling

 

 

On my 09-10 GS skis I measured closer to a little greater than 0.5 (guessing 0.7) and 3.5 with a convex grind on both side and base.  The convex cut was seen only when the edge was marked and slight pass was made with and extra fine diamond stone was made just enough pressure to register the start of the cut.  I'm guess here that the convex grind will be closer to b at 0.5 and side at 4

 

What was more interesting was the fact that it was a convex edge in both side and base from the factor as they where still in the wrapper when I bought them.  This leads to amore interesting question, unless you have a powered sharpener as discussed in various threads we are limited flat angles.

 

Based on the question and what I found I personally from now determine the factory angles as a baseline and if the are convex or not.  At least I have a good start point from which to start my tuning up keep. Maybe invest (or build in the summer) a power base/edge tool.  I know that wifes skis Dynastar Exclusive Carve have still have the factory tune (only skied 2 days and have sat unused) and I'll have check those angles.

post #19 of 24

It might be different for USA, and USA importers do something to skis, but in Europe, Fischer, Elan and Rossignol (don't know for sure about others) race stock (at least WC stock) come all with 0/0, and then it's on serviceman to get them to desired angles for particular racer.

post #20 of 24
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It might be different for USA, and USA importers do something to skis, but in Europe, Fischer, Elan and Rossignol (don't know for sure about others) race stock (at least WC stock) come all with 0/0, and then it's on serviceman to get them to desired angles for particular racer.

    That's awesome!! I think Volkls in the us now come flat  (mine, and several of my friends have). Doesn't appear to be the case for Fischer, Elan and Rossi, though...not the wc stock I've seen from them any way...

 

       zenny

post #21 of 24

   Update: I've just begun shaping/sidewall work on a pair of 2014 Elan fis legal 165's...they arrived to the States with a 1/2...

 

     zenny

post #22 of 24

Just talked to Head this am. They said factory edge #'s are 1/1 on perfomance skis.

post #23 of 24

At least for the 2012 model, Blizzard shipped the Bonafides at 1/3, which is exactly what I would have put on them, anyway.  There's little added durability in a 1/2, but there is additional edge grip in a 1/3.

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Originally Posted by Xela View Post

At least for the 2012 model, Blizzard shipped the Bonafides at 1/3, which is exactly what I would have put on them, anyway.  There's little added durability in a 1/2, but there is additional edge grip in a 1/3.

Broke out my brand new Monster IM 82's (I liked"em so mush I bot 2 pairs; skiing's best kept secret) because of the hard sno conditions here in Tahoe. They railed  the hard stuff. The razor sharp factory edge and the 1/1 trim sure works on hard stuff. Interesting that the 1/3 would give more grip (I know, it's physics). The 1/2 bevel the shop put on the old skis sucked, but then the old Monsters have 160+ days on them. Maybe just the new ski/factory phenom?

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