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10ex, Scarpa Laser, Dynafit Tristep

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
So I finally got my stuff from telemark-pyrennese. They were nice but it
took a while to get the order, 6 weeks. Although I don't know if it would
have been any faster in town since no one had anything in stock when I placed
the order.

Used the setup last week inbounds at Alta and then on a short 20 min hike.
Alta had about 8" of new and was totally windbuffed.
Hiking was easy, the pivot point on the Dynafits is closer to the ball of
your foot than other systems and makes for a more natural walk. I did have
some concerns about locking the toe pins for hiking (worried about the skis
not coming off in an avalanche). I posted the question on Lou Dawsons wildsnow.com
and he responded that you do have to lock the toe pins for hiking but they
will release in an avalanche. There is no resistance at the toe pins.
I had heard concerns that with no resistance at the toe the ski can be tough
to control doing kick turns etc. I tried some kick turns and broke trail
for a while and did not notice a problem. The release mechanism seemed
to function OK. I did prerelease a few times but I had the din set at 6
to 7 and usually set my bindings at 9. I wasn't to confident in the release
mechanism at first so I set them low. I'm going to reset them to 8 and
see how it goes. They were pretty easy to put on, a little harder than
regular bindings but not bad at all. I stepped out of the ski once (hit
a rock and just stepped out) on a 40-45 degree slope in thigh deep snow
and didn't have any problem stepping back into the binding.
The boots are significantly softer than my old downhill boots. Walking
was great and I only noticed the lack of stiffness when relaxing while going
straight on the flats and hitting deeper snow/chunks/tracks etc. When I
was actually skiing and turning the softness of the boots didn't affect
my skiing. I did add a stiffener to one boot and left the other plain.
The boot I added the stiffener to was more comfortable - probably because
I didn't tighten the buckles as much. Lou Dawson has some stiffening tips
on his site. I didn't do anything as drastic as he does - just added a
small piece of plastic from the liners of my old boots. I am going to add
the stiffener to both boots.
The skis (191) are very nice. They are much easier to ski slower than my
Igneous FFL's but are not as stable at speed as the FFL's. That doesn't
mean you can't ski fast on them is just means that its easier to ski fast
on the FFL's. Overall they are a much nicer and more practical ski than
the FFL's. At home flexing the skis the 10ex's seemed as stiff as the FFL's
but while skiing they seemed much softer. I'm not sure why that is - maybe
a combination of the increased sidecut and the softness of the boots.

The whole setup is significantly lighter than the my old stuff (200cm FFLs,
Look P9's, 94ish Koflach Racing Boot) - probably close to 10 lbs lighter.
post #2 of 11
Nice review. I would encourage you to try the Dawson Flexon tongue mod (just did it now for my Garmonts), especially since finding old Flexon boots is both easy and cheap.
post #3 of 11
harpo, just out of curiousity, what is your height and weight? When looking at the 10.ex i considered a 191 also--since my other skis are 190's, give or take. But was persuaded to go a size shorter for AT purposes, so I bought the 184. If you're finding the 191s softish and easy to turn at slower speeds, I may have gone too small with the 184. Guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks.

And did the Dynafits release when you wanted them to? I have a hard time imagining how one can release from that toe.
post #4 of 11
I'm interested that you didn't find a dramatic decrease in support from your old alpine boots, especially in windbuff.... jus' great technique I guess.

JW, anything would be more plyable than those FFL's he got - I think they're the stiffest Igneous made
post #5 of 11
Dynafit has a unique release system, which works as follows from what I've been able to piece together from various postings.

The heelpiece can release laterally using the same function for switching from ski to tour mode, and this twisting tension is adjusted by the DIN-rated lateral release screw at the heel. This twisting allows for the heelpiece prongs to come out of the boot's sockets and therefore release laterally. The heel can also release vertically if the heelpiece prongs can separate sufficiently from the boot heel cavities to free the boot to move upward, which is adjusted by the DIN-rated vertical release screw at the heel.

The toe piece has vertical, lateral twisting and vertical twisting (kind of a sideways rolling) release mechanisms, but not a true lateral release (as the toe prongs get hung up on the boot toe sockets). But the toe release is really intended merely as facilitating a heel release already in progress, since the toe spring is not adjustable. The one problem Dynafit users seem to experience is prelease at the toe, often caused by a sharp, quick jolt to the rear of the ski or sufficient vibration to force the boot toe upward and out of the binding. You can avoid this by locking the toe, but this is intended only for tour mode, and might (will?) stop the binding from releasing when you want it to.
post #6 of 11
hey thanks for the post, harpo. As I was saying in another thread, I might try the Laser/Tenex combo too, perhaps with Fritschi Freerides (leaving open the Alpine boot option).
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
JW - I think the 184 is a good choice. I went back and forth on the 191
vs 184. I finally decided on the 191 because of the conditions here in
Utah. I think the 191 will be more forgiving and easier to ski. I do think
as you become more dialed in on your skis you can go shorter. I also wouldn't
say that the skis are soft in that they tend to hook up or turn more than
intended - they just skied softer than I expected, in a good way.

I was also scared of the bindings release mechanism and set them really
low to start. As Jonathon describes the release is controlled in the heel
unit. There is no release setting on the toe. If you are in hiking mode
without the toe pins locked (the toe piece has a lever on it - ski mode
and lock mode) you can easily step out of the toe. The heel unit has 2
release mechanisms - one controls the vertical release - the other controls
lateral. Once the heel comes out the toe pins are easily pried open and
slip right off.

"The one problem Dynafit users seem to experience is prerelease at the toe,
often caused by a sharp, quick jolt to the rear of the ski" I didn't experience
this but the literature that comes with the binding said the same thing.

I am still skeptical about the ski releasing in an avalanche when hiking
with the pins locked. I played with it after I read Lou Dawsons response
and couldn't get the pins to budge when locked. But I didn't load them
up as much as I could for fear of breaking something on the binding. Could
you imagine how dopey I'd feel if I broke my new stuff trying to get the
binding to release in a situation that I never plan on getting into?

I ended up choosing the Dynafits (over the fritchis) because I heard they are the most durable
AT binding (I have broken my fair share of equip). The lightness is just
a bonus.

FYI - I'm 5-10, a solid 200 lbs and am not a finesse skier.
post #8 of 11

I really enjoyed your review. I'm particularly interested in your comments about ski length.

I've had Lazers for three years, Dynafit boots before that. My primary AT setup is Tourlite Tech bindings on a pair of 195cm K2 Heli Stinx, but I'm looking for some new skis.

I'm about the same weight as you, a little taller, and I'm looking for a fairly fat ski in the mid-180's, mostly because kickturns on steep uphill switchbacks in deep snow are a lot easier with the shorter ski. I'm going with Fritschi's on this pair as I plan to use them as a hybrid in-resort and backcountry ski. The Fritschi's would allow me to use these skis with alpine boots if I really wanted to.

Of the skis I demoed last winter, the 10EX seemed to offer the best combination of solid performance on hard, junky snow and good powder skiing. There are a few skis I want to try this year before I buy something.

The hike you took at Alta. Was it on skins or carrying the skis. I'm curious about how the 10EX's seem to work for breaking trail. It's got a pretty low tip and I wondered if it would want to come up out of the snow very easily. Also, did that length support you plenty well enough while skinning (although maybe that wasn't enough new snow to really tell)?


post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
I had the skins on and headed out above Alta along the poleline route. We followed an existing skin track for a while and I also tried breaking trail to see how it went. The purpose of the hike was just to see how the setup worked. I did some kick turns while breaking trail on a fairly steep section (about 30 degrees) and I didn’t find the skis too long. I have trouble doing kick turns with 200cm skis though. I’ve got short legs for my height. If you are taller and fairly limber I don’t think the 191’s would be hard to kick turn. The float was fine – the only time I really buried them was in a short downhill section from firm windblown into soft powder and I had the heel lift up.

The heel lift was pretty easy to work by hand but I have trouble moving it with a pole.

I’m curious about the ski crampons. I’m wondering how they would work on softer snow with no skins. Like for a fairly short hike where you don’t want to bother with skins. It looks like you can just click them on and go. Anybody tried it?

I’ll probably be up at Alta on a halfday pass tomorrow morning.
post #10 of 11

Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to do a little more demoing (now that there's some snow to try them on) and try to settle on a length and model.

I've not really looked at the Tristep. If the climbing post is similar to the Tourlite Tech, I'm amazed if you could change the setting with your poles *at all*. I've never really been able to. I've also had occasional problems on steep, firm switchbacks having the climbing post swivel from the highest setting down to locked in at the heel. It's probably just the way I walk or something, but it's quite a surprise as you're just slogging along uphill.

I've not used the crampons. I would think they might work okay if you stay on a pretty hard-packed skin track (or spring conditions), but I don't really think you could replace skins even for a short hike.

Have fun up there tomorrow. I'm leaving SLC for Jackson tomorrow afternoon. I'm taking a 6-day race camp all next week and I can't wait.

Maybe we can hook up for some AT turns one of these days.

post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hey Someone sent me a personal message and I replied but can't remember your user name to update some info so....

I figured out how to work the heel lift with the pole - it's really easy if you have the pole at the right angle - and I think I fixed the toe piece on my binding. If you do get the tristeps make sure the lockout works before you take them home.
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