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Kastle MX78 with Vist binding - +1cm mounting point query

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Hi All,

 

I tried my new/slightly longer MX78's over the weekend. They felt ok but not fantastic as per the glowing reviews on here.

 

On the plance back last night I seem to recall people reccommending moving the removable Vist heel and toe piece forward 1cm on Stockli SX's to get a bit control over them. Does anyone reccomend that for the MX78's?

 

Many thanks,

BJ

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post #2 of 14

BJ,

I have a fair amount of experience with the VIST Speedlock system. I have the Speedlock plate on a pair of VIST carving skis, and VIST TT plates on Hart Phoenix, Hart Pulse and, like you, Kastle MX 78's.

What was not clear from your post whether you have the Speedlock plates with the adjustable bindings, or the "free" system which are fixed. I will assume that it is the first, which do permit the adjustments.

My MX78's are 176cm. I was skiing them yesterday in hard-packed conditions, soft bumps and some trees. To gain a bit more control over the tips, I removed the toe and heel and moved them one hole forward. The interval is about 3/8". I did find that the ski responded more quickly with easier tip engagement. I will try moving the binding forward an other step next time I go out.

I can not say whether this would work for you as you have not shared how the ski does not meet your expectations. But moving the binding forward did seem to make the ski feel "shorter."

Here is an image of the TT plate.

 

Kastle3.jpg

 

If your plate has the holes, try adjusting to taste. I should also point out that this TT plate is supposed to act no stiffness to the ski, unlike the Speedlock plate which is one piece and rigid. I have that plate on a pair of VIST carvers (116/66/101) and the TT plate on the Hart Phoenix which is the same ski (different top plate - both made by Blossom in Italy from what I can gather). In the same size, these skis are quite different because of the plate.

My advice - just play with the binding placement, little increments at a time. Once you get this ski dialed in, you may feel some of the magic.

Good luck.

David

post #3 of 14

^^ This.  I have Speedlock TT plates on 3 pairs of Stockli Skis (Laser SC, SX and Stormrider XXL) and very shortly on a pair Kastle BMX 108.  It only takes a couple of minutes to move the bindings placement and can easily be done when out skiing. Play with it and find out what works for you.

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^^ This.  I have Speedlock TT plates on 3 pairs of Stockli Skis (Laser SC, SX and Stormrider XXL) and very shortly on a pair Kastle BMX 108.  It only takes a couple of minutes to move the bindings placement and can easily be done when out skiing. Play with it and find out what works for you.

Hey Taxman, good to hear from another VIST user. I got a used pair of '11 MX 98's with the Marker Cti binding. Was thinking of putting a TT plate on them  but questioned the use of a plate on a powder-ish ski. The plate and 614 binding is considerably heavier than the Marker. Is this of concern to you? On the plus side, the convenience is undeniable. I am headed to Utah in a month and plan to take the 78's and 98's, which could go with one set of bindings. And I have a 4mm lift under the toe (see photo) which has helped with fore/aft stance. Do people use any kind of plate system on pow skis? Your thoughts.

David

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Well dawgcathing has just mounted my Kastle BMX108 with the TT plate and thought it would be killer.  The TT plate is fairly light and free flexing so I don't think it will detract from the performance of the ski at all.  I will know for sure when I get to Telluride in about ten days time.  Re weight, I use the 614 Free bindings and carry one set between multiple pairs of skis when travelling (including plenty of trans Pacific flying).  If Im concerned about weight I prepay excess baggage or go to my Dynafit AT rig.  With regards to stack height, for powder skis sure its nice to be close to the ski but my last two pairs (powder skis) had Marker Dukes on them, heavy and high, so the TT plate will be an improvement on that.

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I had a pair of MX78s that I played with binding position a lot on.  I didn't find the ski to respond much to changes. If you're looking to move the binding forward to get the tip to bite early and pull you into the turn on hardpack I couldn't get it to happen. YMMV.

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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

Well dawgcathing has just mounted my Kastle BMX108 with the TT plate and thought it would be killer.  The TT plate is fairly light and free flexing so I don't think it will detract from the performance of the ski at all.  I will know for sure when I get to Telluride in about ten days time.  Re weight, I use the 614 Free bindings and carry one set between multiple pairs of skis when travelling (including plenty of trans Pacific flying).  If Im concerned about weight I prepay excess baggage or go to my Dynafit AT rig.  With regards to stack height, for powder skis sure its nice to be close to the ski but my last two pairs (powder skis) had Marker Dukes on them, heavy and high, so the TT plate will be an improvement on that.

Thanks. There is no question the VIST system has its charms.

What adjustments (fore/aft) might you do on a powder oriented ski and for what purpose? I don't know squat about powder skis (or powder skiing, for that mattter).

Good luck with your new boards and with your trip to Telluride. I am off to Snow Basin and Pow Mtn in February to find out for myself what all the hubub is about powder (hopefully).

David

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YMMV but......  most skis I've skied have a sweet spot which can vary from the manufacturers mark.  For me it typically seems to be 1 to 1.5 cm forward of centre.  Since I started putting the Speedlock plates on skis I never have to worry about having drilled the skis in the right spot.  If I don't like the way the skis are skiing, play around with the binding position until I find my sweet spot.  A few years ago I demoed a pair of Blizzard Titan Argos; the skis were SierraJim's personal skis.  Jim's a bit heavier than me but I'm taller.  On the IQ system, he liked the bindings mounted back, I preferred them forward.  Just personal choice.  Some will suggest that you need to move the mounting point back to aid keeping the tips up for powder.  I've never had that issue, just try and stay centred. Those Blizzards have served well, having done some epic powder days around Tahoe, in Jackson Hole and heli skiing in New Zealand.  They still have plenty of mileage in them but the small Duke binding wont accommodate my new boots, so time for a new ski (well that's my excuse).

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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

YMMV but......  most skis I've skied have a sweet spot which can vary from the manufacturers mark.  For me it typically seems to be 1 to 1.5 cm forward of centre.  Since I started putting the Speedlock plates on skis I never have to worry about having drilled the skis in the right spot.  If I don't like the way the skis are skiing, play around with the binding position until I find my sweet spot.  A few years ago I demoed a pair of Blizzard Titan Argos; the skis were SierraJim's personal skis.  Jim's a bit heavier than me but I'm taller.  On the IQ system, he liked the bindings mounted back, I preferred them forward.  Just personal choice.  Some will suggest that you need to move the mounting point back to aid keeping the tips up for powder.  I've never had that issue, just try and stay centred. Those Blizzards have served well, having done some epic powder days around Tahoe, in Jackson Hole and heli skiing in New Zealand.  They still have plenty of mileage in them but the small Duke binding wont accommodate my new boots, so time for a new ski (well that's my excuse).

You and I have been down another similar path. I skied for a few years on the white/festering green Titan Argos and really like them.

Would be interesting to hear your experience on the Kastles/VIST plates.

David

post #10 of 14

I have a pair of Head Monster iM78s (183) with a Railflex binding.  I wasn't especially happy with the feel of them on hardpack, but moving the binding 15mm forward (front hole on the Railflex system) cured that.  With any depth of new snow I move the bindings back to the factory mark and all is well.

post #11 of 14
I don't have any experience with the Vist plate but like Sinbad, I have a pair of railflex bindings. Being able to move the bindings for and aft is very handy.
I never played around much with the binding position on my now retired Monsters. However, the adjustability makes my Mantras even more versatile for travelling eg -3 for Japan, -1.5 for North America generally, and on the line for hardpack.
Currently have them on a pair of 109 waisted skis. Wasn't a lot of info available for binding placement on these skis other than the FR line being to far forward. The adjustabilty allowed me to settle on -4cm behind the FR line.

Bottom line is experiment with different positions if your setup allows.
Cheers
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 

David/All,

 

Many thanks for your replies. I have the white speedlock pro (light?) plates fixed to the skis. The bindings are the free 311 and are adjustable.

 

So today I got the chance to take your advice to move them forward one slot whole and it definetley made a difference. I felt more in control of the skis. Maybe because I'm not that tall/heavy (5'8" 175pounds on a 168cm MX78) that it made more of a difference?

 

Now I just need to see if I can do this on a pair of MX88 hire skis to see how they go i n comparisan!

 

Many thanks
 

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David/All,

 

Many thanks for your replies. I have the white speedlock pro (light?) plates fixed to the skis. The bindings are the free 311 and are adjustable.

 

So today I got the chance to take your advice to move them forward one slot whole and it definetley made a difference. I felt more in control of the skis. Maybe because I'm not that tall/heavy (5'8" 175pounds on a 168cm MX78) that it made more of a difference?

 

Now I just need to see if I can do this on a pair of MX88 hire skis to see how they go i n comparisan!

 

Many thanks
 

Glad it worked for you. Amazing how such a small adjustment can make such a difference. 

There are many Speedlock plates. This link should tell you which one you have.

http://www.ski.bg/wmview_en.php?ArtID=5010

 

If it is the regular Speedlco Pro (not light) that will add stiffness to the ski. I can say that with confidence because I have the TT plate on a pair of Hart Phoenix and the regular VIST Speedlock Pro plate on a pair of VIST carvers. Both skis are the same except for top sheet graphics and the VIST's definitely ski stiffer.

By the way, I way, I weigh 5 pounds less than you and am on the 176cm. Does feel like a loooong ski sometime.

Happy trails,

David

post #14 of 14
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Hmm 5 pounds less, do you mind me asking how tall you are? The reason I ask is people keep telling me to try longer so am intrigued re what other people are skiing.

 

Many thanks

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