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post #1 of 11
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Hello Epic Ski,
 
I have been following this website for the last 4 days.  You guys write great reviews as I fell upon them looking for some new gear.  I have been reading about 5 skis that I am interested in but can only choose one.  Currently, I own the Salomon X-Wing Fury 2008 with the z12 bindings.  They are at 164cm (a bit short for me now but they charge well allowing for nice speed while GS'ing), the right height for me when I first got them.  I am 24 now, 5' 9.5" at 165 lbs.  I'm an advanced+ ambitious skier looking to push forward.
 
I want to get a ski that will complement the other and mainly use for just powder days.  I like bowls and chutes, drops up to 12 ft or so, and skiing trees (as long as they are not too tight).  I am not looking for a dedicated charger ski, but a ski that if I decide I would like to charge a bit, it will hold control.  But, I am not looking for a ski thats too soft that would force me to smear as its only solution coming down.  I ski neutral stance with the Dalbello Scorpion SF 110's.
 
Skis I am interested in:
Nordica Helldorado
Blizzard Cochise
Line Opus
Blizzard Gunsmoke
Rossignol Sickle
 
Thank you for your great rewvieing!  And thanks for any help in advance!
 
Respectfully,
Amit Gandelman
post #2 of 11
Thread Starter 

Oh!

 

And I completely forgot about the Rossignol Squad 7's!

 

Thanks again!

 

-Amit

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hey guys!

 

I really need your help!  If you can help slim that down to 2 or 3 skis, I will be able to demo them this coming April.

 

Thanks in advance!

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

no one?

post #5 of 11

Welcome to the sandbox, Amitg.  

 

Have you demoed any of your choices yet?  Can you?  Where do you ski the most?  Questions most of the gear guys are going to ask so can at least get that out of the way for you.

 

I have not skied any of your skis of interest, but don't want to see you get ignored.   My suggestion would be to just get the red ones biggrin.gif.

post #6 of 11

Hi Amit, welcome to Epicski!

 

Sorry you haven't received any good feedback yet, no doubt lots of Bears out skiing right now.

 

I can't be a whole lot of help as I've only been on one of the skis on your list but I've got a few shallow thoughts.

 

The Cochise has been described here recently as a charger type of ski so maybe not the best for your intentions.

 

I took a couple of runs on the Gunsmoke last year in some beautiful Mt. Rose pow and cut up and really liked it.  I tend to gravitate to more playful, finesse skis and don't have much problem charging on them from time to time.  I like this a whole lot more than skiing on stiff, planky skis.

 

Even less help:

I was hand flexing a Line Opus the other day and it reminds me a lot of the Bluehouse Maestro that I'm on right now.  Hopefully I'll get a chance to try that one soon.

 

So check out the Gunsmoke for sure, maybe the MPO and if you want to go off your list and can find a Maestro, I'd highly recommend it.

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by Stranger View Post

Welcome to the sandbox, Amitg.  

 

Have you demoed any of your choices yet?  Can you?  Where do you ski the most?  Questions most of the gear guys are going to ask so can at least get that out of the way for you.

 

I have not skied any of your skis of interest, but don't want to see you get ignored.   My suggestion would be to just get the red ones biggrin.gif.

 

Hello Stranger,

 

Thanks for the reply.  I have not demo'd any of the skis I am interested in yet.  I chose those skis based on my skiing preferences and the reviews from Epic Ski and Blister Gear Review.  I ski Whistler, Tahoe area (mostly Squaw), Mammoth, Vail, and Park City.  Would love to get to Alta and Jackson Hole.

 

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Originally Posted by bumpfreaq View Post

Hi Amit, welcome to Epicski!

 

Sorry you haven't received any good feedback yet, no doubt lots of Bears out skiing right now.

 

I can't be a whole lot of help as I've only been on one of the skis on your list but I've got a few shallow thoughts.

 

The Cochise has been described here recently as a charger type of ski so maybe not the best for your intentions.

 

I took a couple of runs on the Gunsmoke last year in some beautiful Mt. Rose pow and cut up and really liked it.  I tend to gravitate to more playful, finesse skis and don't have much problem charging on them from time to time.  I like this a whole lot more than skiing on stiff, planky skis.

 

Even less help:

I was hand flexing a Line Opus the other day and it reminds me a lot of the Bluehouse Maestro that I'm on right now.  Hopefully I'll get a chance to try that one soon.

 

So check out the Gunsmoke for sure, maybe the MPO and if you want to go off your list and can find a Maestro, I'd highly recommend it.

 

Hey Bumpfreaq,

 

Thanks for the heads up!

From my understanding, the Helldo's and the Cochise are very similar in terms of the stiffness.

The Gunsmoke, Sickle, and Opus are very similar to one another and seem to be the closest to what a powder playful ski gets.  My only question is are they too playful and not serious enough when it gets to moving fast on powder?  I am not anticipating skiing much in waist+ deep pow, but normally knee-high.

The Squad 7 seems to be somewhere in between the Helldo/Sickle grouping? I'm not sure...

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by amitg View Post

 


From my understanding, the Helldo's and the Cochise are very similar in terms of the stiffness.

The Gunsmoke, Sickle, and Opus are very similar to one another and seem to be the closest to what a powder playful ski gets.  My only question is are they too playful and not serious enough when it gets to moving fast on powder?  I am not anticipating skiing much in waist+ deep pow, but normally knee-high.

 

Not sure anyone can answer that but you.

 

IMHO.....Right now we have so many good options it's easy to over analyze and over specialize.  Personally I would rather charge on a playful ski than ski tight tree lines on a charger.  I don't think anyone would list crud busting as a strength of my Maestro but I skied a whole lot of CO and Tahoe crud on it last year and couldn't wipe the grin off my face.  I'd say that if you have good basic skills and you ski with some speed and confidence you won't have a problem charging on a playful ski such as the Maestro or the Gunsmoke.... or most likely any of the others you're interested in.

 

Back to your original question, you've already divided your group in two (with the Sq7 in between) I'd say see if you can find a shop where you can demo at least one from each group.  Feel the difference yourself.

 

I believe that all of the ski in question should be able to hold an edge in most conditions quite easily.  None of them will force you to smear all the time =)

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by amitg View Post

Hello Epic Ski,
 
I have been following this website for the last 4 days.  You guys write great reviews as I fell upon them looking for some new gear.  I have been reading about 5 skis that I am interested in but can only choose one.  Currently, I own the Salomon X-Wing Fury 2008 with the z12 bindings.  They are at 164cm (a bit short for me now but they charge well allowing for nice speed while GS'ing), the right height for me when I first got them.  I am 24 now, 5' 9.5" at 165 lbs.  I'm an advanced+ ambitious skier looking to push forward.
 
I want to get a ski that will complement the other and mainly use for just powder days.  I like bowls and chutes, drops up to 12 ft or so, and skiing trees (as long as they are not too tight).  I am not looking for a dedicated charger ski, but a ski that if I decide I would like to charge a bit, it will hold control.  But, I am not looking for a ski thats too soft that would force me to smear as its only solution coming down.  I ski neutral stance with the Dalbello Scorpion SF 110's.
 
Skis I am interested in:
Nordica Helldorado
Blizzard Cochise
Line Opus
Blizzard Gunsmoke
Rossignol Sickle
 
Thank you for your great rewvieing!  And thanks for any help in advance!
 
Respectfully,
Amit Gandelman
You are not that big of a guy, which leaves the Squad7 out that you later mention, it is a 190cm only ski. Let's get back to what you are asking for...charger- a ski that likes to go fast, and make figure 11's , NOT best in the trees. A good tree ski- a ski that is the opposite of a charger. Not floppy- which means stiff and not good in trees. Not smeary- a ski with camber.

So in your list..
1. Helldorado- strong, camber, early rise tip and tail
2. Gunsmoke- not as strong as the Helldo but a bit more playful
3. Cochise- zero camber, charger , no as god as above skis in trees
4. Sickle- Little camber, playful not a charger
5. Opus- noodle

The Helldo is the best combination of power, playfulness and what you are looking for.
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post



You are not that big of a guy, which leaves the Squad7 out that you later mention, it is a 190cm only ski. Let's get back to what you are asking for...charger- a ski that likes to go fast, and make figure 11's , NOT best in the trees. A good tree ski- a ski that is the opposite of a charger. Not floppy- which means stiff and not good in trees. Not smeary- a ski with camber.

So in your list..
1. Helldorado- strong, camber, early rise tip and tail
2. Gunsmoke- not as strong as the Helldo but a bit more playful
3. Cochise- zero camber, charger , no as god as above skis in trees
4. Sickle- Little camber, playful not a charger
5. Opus- noodle

The Helldo is the best combination of power, playfulness and what you are looking for.

Hey Philpug,

 

Thanks for the great reply!  My friend told me about a friend of his that skis Surface skis and pointed me to the Surface New Life.  With their 3-stage rocker, 16.5m@184cm, and on the slightly stiffer side of the spectrum, could these skis surpass the Helldo's?  I called some shops in the Tahoe area and none carry these for demo'ing.

Thanks again.

 

-Amit

post #11 of 11

I own the Opus in 178 and love it.  I haven't had it out west yet but skiied it in Michigan.  I am going to Snowbird/Alta February 5-10 and will report back when I return from that trip.   I am 5'6" and weigh 165 and the ski responded beautifully when I skied it in Northern Michigan on hard pack.  I actually couldn't believe how well it did.  I only took it out to get a feel for it and wasn't expecting to really ski it much since I bought it for skiing out west at Alta.  Maybe Philpug is a big guy but I would never call the Opus a noodle.  It is extremely fun to ski and easy to turn but I never felt like it was a noodle.  I love it.  But I always enjoy playful over charging stiff skis.  As a matter of fact the only stiff ski I own is one a I just bought today which is the Kastle MX78.  I owned the Bonafide and skied it up north on the same trip I skied the Opus and when I got home I sold the Bonafide . I really didn't like it.  I must be one of the first persons to not like the Bonafide but it wasn't my thing.  However I am extremely lucky in the fact that I own 6 pair of skis so I have alot of options.  4 pair of Line skis and 2 Kastles.

 

Chuck

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