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Luxury skis; what are you paying for?

post #1 of 13
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Hello,

 

There are some luxury brands of skis that make Kastle prices look flea-market.  Are these better than Kastle, and by how much?

 

Examples include Stockli and Bomber, particularly the latter.

 

Do these have better starting materials that are too expensive for large ski corporations to buy on a large scale?  Or what else makes them special?

post #2 of 13

No... just small shops with a lot of hand finishing, etc... careful selection of materials, left and right skis that are well flex matched, etc....

Don't know anything about Bomber, but Stockli has always made pretty great skis, just not a huge marketing budget. I think the Kastles (mx88) is a great ski... very smooth and even flex. Kind of a silky ride compared to most. Not super powerful, but nicely nicely refined.

post #3 of 13

What???? I'm downgrading because my next purchase will be a Kastle and not another Stockli?

post #4 of 13

They do make a good ski but they aren't "leaps and bounds" better than other high-end products from the major manufacturers.  The best analogy I can give is to compare ski gear like this with high end audiophile components.  You can get 98% of the finest quality audio gear by spending 60% less and it's the same here.  A $800 pair of mass produced slabs is going to be 98% of what the $2,000 Stockli slabs would cost you. As others have stated, that 2% would likely be lost on the majority of skiers (including the ski snobs).  In other words, there is no really "good" reason to spend SO MUCH more on a more exclusive ski so it's mostly vanity rather than any performance issues.  

 

If you still decided you want a pair, I would encourage you to buy a used (or new, old stock) Stokli if you can find them for a 'reasonable' price (e.g. at LEAST 50% less than they sold for new).  Heck, I've even been tempted to get a pair or two I've found in the off season that were "left over" and heavily (50% discounted) but even then I could not convince myself to part with the cash for a pair of sticks I would only use when once or twice a year when I could find powder somewhere out west. 

post #5 of 13

Never paid $2k for a Stockli (and have owned 4 pairs), mostly around $1k and that is with the South Pacific Peso.

post #6 of 13
Stockli and Kastle are priced about the same. Stockli limits production but markets in many countries, so often times the skis aren't discounted. The company doesn't have a big marketing budget but always has a presence in ski cross and the WC. Tina Maze will likely win the WC overall, and skis Stockli. Kastle has kicked butt in recent years with great reviews reviving the brand. Expensive skis are the custom ones from Sterling, Wagner, Folsom, etc. Using titinal (like with race or top carving skis) will increase the price of any ski, as does keeping it in the molds longer as the resin cures helping keep the bottoms from getting concave or convex. I have had several Stocklis and the bottoms were/are always flat.
post #7 of 13

The $2K i was referencing was retail from a number of year back.  I guess when I was looking at them, they were more expensive.  However, I do see that the current "Storm rider" planks are still listed at around $1,500, right?  Here is this sites thread on them...

http://www.epicski.com/t/110697/stockli-skis-as-elite-as-they-come

post #8 of 13

Below is a cheap pair with bindings that you can ski on ice.  They are a lot lighter than the FIS model (the FIS has one speed...too fast), and they won't kill your legs.  If I wasn't thinking of moving I'd buy these:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/181063857640?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

post #9 of 13

It looks like Stockli's aren't ANYWHERE nearly as exclusive as they use to be those many years ago.  I just ran a eBay search and found some 200+ pairs out there with many selling under $500/pair so like anything else, the more they make the less exclusive and lower the cost they become.

post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by ndabunka View Post

It looks like Stockli's aren't ANYWHERE nearly as exclusive as they use to be those many years ago.  I just ran a eBay search and found some 200+ pairs out there with many selling under $500/pair so like anything else, the more they make the less exclusive and lower the cost they become.

Most are sold from one outfiit out of Denver, and they are the ones that aren't popular and a few years old (at least).  Try finding a new Laser at a big discount or the TT.  Some models have a cult following from people who can carve, most do not.

post #11 of 13

Another brand to add to the list: Lacroix - http://www.lacroix-skis.com/

 

Not sure they are worth the 1100 to 8000 EURO that they charge for them, but the one pair that i've skied (rental) was fantastic.

post #12 of 13

Vist skis are another premium boutique brand

post #13 of 13

Are my Stockli and Kastle skis more exclusive becasue I put Vist bindings on them? Actually I'm a cheapskate, I've one pair of bindings between four pairs of skis.  But Speedlock plates are pretty good for that.

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