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post #31 of 44




I saw the other post on Absorption and placed it in the same category "Ski Instruction & Coaching", but right after I did it I asked myself is this the appropriate category as I am not and don't mean to come across as an official instructor. Just a friend giving an opinion or advice.



This guy should be applauded for his efforts, old school or not, instructor or not.



We have lots of non-instructors in this forum who give great advice.


I agree with swisstrader.  I thought the OP was really good.  It doesn't matter at all if he's an "instructor" or not, his advice is sound, it could definitely work for a lot of people. 


JHoback, the fact that you are not PSIA or whatever probably only makes me more likely to listen to you.  For a hint at why I would say that you can see what I said here in post 8, 10 and 24: http://www.epicski.com/t/117316/high-performance-ma-please


I am also not an "official instructor", by the way, and I don't care, and I don't want to be.  I am also not any kind of ex-competitor or current competitor or anything else.  I just ski.  I know there are really good PSIA instructors though (Bob is obviously a great one). 


There were only one or two sentences in the OP that I had a comment on...



Where will all of your movement (absorbtion) come from? It will primarily come from your knees (and yes bump skiing is hard on the knees).


I only think that bump skiing is hard on the knees if you don't absorb well enough.  Most skiers don't absorb well enough, so I guess what you said is accurate from a certain point of view. 



As you get better, you will then learn how to ski the sides of the bumps as well. This progression will help as you will be learning how to avoid rocks, stumps, etc that are in the ruts. After the sides, you will then learn how to ski the tops of the bumps.


You could also learn to ski the sides and tops first before the rut.  I would teach those things first, but either way could work. 


So the proper pole plant in bumps is to reach out and : 1) stab the gnome in the toe 2) then punch him in the nose. It sounds funny and feels funny at first, but once you are on the mountain and get the hang of it you will understand and see why it works. So just think, 1 -2, stab – punch, 1 -2, stab – punch the whole way down.


I have never heard this.  I like the idea though and I might even try it.  Hands are always really annoying to try to keep quiet in the bumps. 

Edited by Ronin - 1/22/13 at 10:26am
post #32 of 44

As someone who is a strong/advanced intermediate skier but who has trouble with bumps...I am anxious to try a combination of both the OP and the bumps video. I love the analogy of a ball rolling down the moguls...but in my case I would see the ball crawling up the sides of the moguls and not in the trough. I think that will give me a good idea of the line.


Excited to try some of these things this weekend!

post #33 of 44

I read this thread along with the opinions and differnces , Also looked at the pictures of moguls posted , Then Went skiing and tried it , So here's what happened ,

    I went to the Mogul /Light black diamond /Blue diamond moguls .

   Looked for the place where the ball would roll , I had to think where the ball would roll .But there were straight down areas , So I figured I would adapt  , Were the ball would roll if it traversed a bit to control speed , Then I used the stab the toes poke the nose theory , With long poles , Also have looked at the pictures posted of the moguls  ,  I would ski the powdery tops and skid the sides a bit to control speed ,

  I was ables to go longer with out skidding out and stopping , By ,Skidding the sides, instead of a full carve .However I was able to carve [some] of the moguls ,There  was an improvement .

   In general  the suggestion to

1  Pick the path

2 stab the toes, Punch the nose

I  was able to ski as described [slowly but in a better rythim ]

 To slow it down after a few bumps I had to =

4 turn on the tops

3 skid the sides

5 allowed me to be in control longer and be able to think instead of skidding out [so often]

It was fun , My legs tire rapidly , I think some of it has to do with posture and being 50 years old . And haveing the acl replaced last year , My legg is not back to 100% .So I Feel the techniques have allowed me to go at a very slow rithym , Due the circumstance , I am happy with that ,

   Generally :Thanks guys and I appreciate the topic ,

post #34 of 44

I also tried some of the ideas here over the weekend at Keystone. I was a bit tentative...but picturing the ball rolling and using the blue method of skiing the sides/tops of the moguls seemed to help. I still had some issues controlling my speed and my skis crossed a couple of times (causing a minor wipe out)...but those are things I can work on.


The thing I hated most (and made me tentative) is that the only mogul runs I could find were all under chair lifts. So I had people yelling at me all the time "go for it dude!"..."rip it up dude!", etc....oh well....   redface.gif

post #35 of 44

Mark Williams and Spaceace, good feedback. Keep in mind that the ball will generally travel down the path of least resistance (ie the fastest path). If you want to slow it down, take the path the ball doesn't want to travel ;) (ie tops of bumps)

post #36 of 44
Originally Posted by Metaphor_ View Post

Mark Williams and Spaceace, good feedback. Keep in mind that the ball will generally travel down the path of least resistance (ie the fastest path). If you want to slow it down, take the path the ball doesn't want to travel ;) (ie tops of bumps)

My biggest issue was my skis trying to cross when initiating my next turn. Any feedback or tips for stopping that from happening? I am probably panicking at the top of the bump and trying too hard to turn...thus crossing my skis...but am open to any suggestions to stop this!

post #37 of 44
Originally Posted by Spaceace414 View Post

My biggest issue was my skis trying to cross when initiating my next turn. Any feedback or tips for stopping that from happening? I am probably panicking at the top of the bump and trying too hard to turn...thus crossing my skis...but am open to any suggestions to stop this!

Can you do a traverse on a groomed trail and tap the tip of the downhill ski onto the snow surface two times per second continually across the traverse?

post #38 of 44

I was taught a trick sort of like that in a lesson years ago at Park City. She had me lift one ski at a time and put the tip on the ground...


I did it for awhile but stopped...I did have some difficulty with it.  What does this tell you?

post #39 of 44

It tells me you will have problems crossing your tips when you try to ski the bumps. This is a strong indication that you would benefit from developing more effective fore/aft movements in your skiing. When this drill becomes easy to do, bump skiing is much easier to do. But you may need to start with other variations (e.g. tapping the uphill ski) before you can master the downhill one. Your Moguls May Vary.

post #40 of 44

Okay, so lets recap and give you some final pointers.

1) Pick A Tight Line

2) Roll The Ball Down The Bump Line

3) Make Your First Turn Count

4) Don’t Miss A Turn

5) Stab – Punch

6) Keep Your Head Still

Good ingredients for a recipe to bump skills.

But unless one is a fearless agile athlete who knows the basic mechanics of bringing the boards around full lock to opposite lock, the "don't miss a turn" step is either a mystery or fantasy, in the bumps that is.


Doing these steps on suitable groomers is more approachable and doable.  Early season groomers have me doing counterrotation drills down the fall line as if I am in the bumps.  Once the base gets deep, and real bumps begin forming, it is an easy jump to those mellow bumps. 


The mechanics of the turn are critical, it's one thing to say don't miss a turn, but when you can't snap a turn like your fingers, that is just not going to happen.

post #41 of 44

Having trouble with your tips crossing while bump skiing suggests that you might be doing one or both of the following:

  1. Standing on the downhill ski while you start the next turn with your uphill ski, i.e., a step or rotary push-off

  2. Skiing from the back seat, at least at the moment you're trying to initiate your new turn


Rusty's drill will help you conquer both of these issues. If you're doing item 2 above, it's very difficult to do the drill, and it's also very difficult to start a new turn without some help from item 1.


When you're doing the drill (and even if you start with the uphill ski), be sure you can pick up the tail of the ski while you're tapping the tip. Rusty doesn't mean to pick up just the tip. If only the tip comes up and the tail stays glued to the snow, you're in the back seat. If your fore/aft stance is accurate, you can easily pick up the tail and tap the tip.


To practice releasing the downhill ski simultaneously with the uphill one, you can practice sideslips, falling leaf, releasing both skis and steering both the tips downhill, etc. Many people find it difficult to do the last one without at least a small wedge (i.e., the downhill ski releases after the uphill one). It requires subtle edge control and accurate stance/balance. Surprisingly, you may find it gets more difficult as the slope gets flatter because you have less assistance from gravity.

post #42 of 44

Thanks for the tips...I am probably doing both 1 and 2 at some point (when I get a little out of control). This gives me something to work on...thanks again!

post #43 of 44

  I may be able to help a little with the ski's crossing , Since I am fairly new also ,

   These things I learned in lessons ,

   Hop turns , Which is what it sound like , Instructor put us on a blue run , , Then do a right  pole plant hop turn right . Left also

    Next thing was paddle steps ... Basically turn and step up the hill bottom ski steps up a few inches , then the top one

   Then   I told him my problem with a steep like steep black ,

   Same as you I would cross my ski sometimes , and I just could not get my self to turn the other way back down hill and swith direction So He said , Put your weight on the bottom ski . Pick up the top ski and turn it down a little then pick up the bottom ski , With pressure on the shin , And keep pressue forward down hill  o the outside ski  you will turn , .I found that to be a leap of faith and I was leaning back to much , Which wiped me out , But you have to lean forward and force the top ski around till it is the down hill ski , This can be done on a small hill starting from a standing position ,

   I am not an instructor . theseare things instructors told me to do , If I left anything out , Anyone ... Feel free to try to explain .

post #44 of 44

The secod part is absorbtion ,I get it and can do it at slow medium speed on the blue runs and blue diamond bumps , I can relax  and let my knees feel like I am on a bicycle . or thats the closest I can relate , And I am not in the back seat , My leggs feel good , Very easy on the legs  , And hardly tiresome , But then , I step it  up and I tense up , Get in the back seat a little more , And my legs tire rapidly , I was told by the instructor , Thats my skill level and I have to build up from there .

  Any explanations that may help with how to let the legs relax and absorb easier at higher speed ?

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