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post #31 of 40
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Out of those, the P98, the 999, and Sentinel are my favorites.  They are all pretty similar.

post #32 of 40
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Hi,

 

I don't really know about the back country marketing: I think that is all it is, marketing.  The Kabookie is about the same weight as other skis we sell in that width: BMX98, 999.    The Rock n' Roll is lighter than the Kabookie as well. I am sure it would work just fine, but I haven't heard of anything special that makes it any more "backcounty" than a wide range of other skis.

 

I just got back from Squaw, I will post video when I can. My feeling is that I would like the Rock n' Roll for skiing laps on KT22 over the Kabookie: it is a little laterally stiffer, and holds well on scrubby, skied out snow like we were skiing.  Plus, the swing weight feels lower.  Squaw is interesting; you need a different turn for that mountain, Wade calls it the "Squaw" turn. The mountain is so steep that most skiers need to constantly bleed energy in order to keep speed in check.  Since the mountain is so steep, you see guys who really aren't that great technically skiing pretty fast all day long: they are letting the skis drift, then scrubbing speed at the base of the turn to release, using that little bit of impact turn to get their skis off of edge.  It is really efficient, and pretty much the only way to ski that mountain unless you are insanely strong.  Trying to ski West Face arc-to arc, redirecting the energy downhill each turn and spending time in the fall line or the zipper line in firm snow is great if you have the skills of a ski-film star or ex WC'er, but for everyone else you see on the hill (most "locals"), they make some variation of that "Squaw turn". So, for that, you need a ski that drifts well, will hook up when you put it onto edge, and release predictably, but not be grabby nor lacking in edge grip.  I think both skis would fit the bill, but the Rock n' Roll just has a little more bite without feeling aggressive at all, so probably my choice.  Plus, the shorter running length is better for me. I was skiing my MX83's most of the time in that trip, and it is only a 173cm, but plenty of ski for a steep skied out mountain that hasn't seen snow in weeks. 

Sometimes, rarely but it happens, West Face or the Chute are totally flat and powder or windbuff. Then we ski without checking speed in large arcs. Now THAT is a blast!

 

Agree that the ski has to drift. Matter of fact, that word, drift, has occurred to me several times of late. Thus my preference for a ski that does not have a huge amount of tail splay, Legend Pro Rider.

 

Dawg = best, most objective reviews, = best shop owner skier. icon14.gif

post #33 of 40
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I wonder if you (or anyone else for that matter) have tried the 2010 version of the Elan 999 Alu, ie whether it has changed much? I recently came across a 185cm pair in a local shop at a very discounted rate and automatically stuck it in a list of potential new skis for my son, who's a fairly big lad. It may well be a mistake to consider buying a potentially outdated ski just to save a few pennies, as there are certainly plenty of options, but if it was suitable, it could still be worth checking out. I can't find any meaningful info in cyberspace on the 2010 model.


I am skiing a new pair of NOS 2010 Dynastar skis that are still perfect. Out of the wrapper, the flex (full of lively rebound), the base (deep glossy black, no oxidation), the top sheet (sealed and protected with plastic is mint) and clean edges are all as if 2013 as far as I can see, and for a DD, the designs are fairly slow to evolve.

post #34 of 40

Thanks for your comments, those Elans might still be a worthy bargain then. Would the 185cm length be too long, or about right for his bulk (6ft1 / 213lb)?

 

I have passed on your advice to my son, but he seems rather drawn at this point to the Moment PB and Js (without actually knowing anything about them, as they're not currently imported here). Do you have any thoughts on these at all? What about durability (we are well known for our rocks and thinly covered scree slopes)? I would describe his skiing as reasonably quick and directional (as in not so much backwards these days), but rather more upright/casual in stance than perhaps he should be. Probably likes to pop off the odd jump, but generally only forwards and the right way up. Nevertheless, he probably still regards himself to be in the demographic that Moment targets.

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Thanks for your comments, those Elans might still be a worthy bargain then. Would the 185cm length be too long, or about right for his bulk (6ft1 / 213lb)?

 

I have passed on your advice to my son, but he seems rather drawn at this point to the Moment PB and Js (without actually knowing anything about them, as they're not currently imported here). Do you have any thoughts on these at all? What about durability (we are well known for our rocks and thinly covered scree slopes)? I would describe his skiing as reasonably quick and directional (as in not so much backwards these days), but rather more upright/casual in stance than perhaps he should be. Probably likes to pop off the odd jump, but generally only forwards and the right way up. Nevertheless, he probably still regards himself to be in the demographic that Moment targets.

No clue, I haven't skied a Moment in years.  I see a lot of people on them at some resorts: not sure if it is because they are great skis, because they are trendy, or both. The only guy I know who owns a pair raves about them, but he kind of a crappy skier. I think he likes the image of them being a "core brand, dude!" more than anything else.   If they ski well, I really don't care how cool the image in the liftline on offer is. 

 

The 187cm 999 (which is the length you are thinking of) is great for that sized skier. 

post #36 of 40

I own Kabookies in a 180.  A quick chime in on their hard snow performance.  I skied them on Sunday and Monday in Vermont.  We had the coldest, hardest snow that we've had all year.  I was pleasantly surprised by how well they performed in those conditions.  I'm skiing them with a Tecnica Cochise 120 and a Marker F12 touring binding.  If you are debating between a Bonafide and a Kabookie and are worried that the Kabookie might be too wimpy or not work when the snow gets hard, that is not really a problem.

post #37 of 40

Choucas, what's your height/weight?

post #38 of 40

Another question about the Rock 'n Roll 95: Were you on the 2014 Rock 'n Rolls and if so, what does it look like?

 

The pictures I've seen on Level Nine don't have any of the Motorhead skis in them, but rather have similar width skis that are all black with kind of odd shaped tips. If I can read the photo correctly, the 95 underfoot model is called the Venturi. Is this the same as the Rock 'n Roll 95 from 2013?

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Another question about the Rock 'n Roll 95: Were you on the 2014 Rock 'n Rolls and if so, what does it look like?

 

The pictures I've seen on Level Nine don't have any of the Motorhead skis in them, but rather have similar width skis that are all black with kind of odd shaped tips. If I can read the photo correctly, the 95 underfoot model is called the Venturi. Is this the same as the Rock 'n Roll 95 from 2013?

 

Nope, it's a completely new design (new sidecut, construction, rocker profile, flex, etc.).  If you want the R-n-R better go grab them now.

post #40 of 40

Damn. I always liked the sound of the R 'n R, but never got a chance to try them and was hoping to push off that ski purchase to next season. wink.gif

 

Thanks!

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