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post #1 of 15
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So I haven't skied for about 10 years as of last week. I took a bit of hiatus mostly because of school and other obligations but now that I have the money and time again I am looking to get back into it. I went out and tried on a bunch of boots and bought a pair that I felt tight in but not uncomfortable as per friends suggestions but now am having issues picking a ski.

 

I am 25 now, 185 and 6 feet. When I skied when I was younger I would say I was intermediate/expert. I have taken out a pair of Prophet 98 179's yesterday at Lake Louise. I found it handled well overall, but as soon as I tried some tree runs I was really struggling with maneuverability. I couldn't make the tight turns and was having issues. I realize that being so rusty I could get better with time, but I have never skied a ski so long before. 

 

My question is, let's say I went for the prophet 98's would it be best to get the 179's and just learn and go out more? Or go with the 172's for more mobility? I'm open to other suggestions and questions as I'm sure I haven't covered everything to make a good suggestion, but let's just say I'm new to everything now as I haven't kept up with the technology that much.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 15

Welcome to EpicSki.  There could be more than one issue with the P98s.  If they're longer than your previous skis that could easily be it, especially if that was your time out in 10 years.  The other issue could be the skis.  I demoed the P90 last year and it felt heavy and sluggish.  I'm 5'7 or 8" and 150 pounds.  It just felt to me like I had to muscle them around in the trees, too tiring and didn't inspire any confidence .  I couldn't get comfortable on them in the trees or bumps, but they were fine on the groomers.  You might want to try a lighter ski, like the Nordica Hell and Back.  I ended up buying the Nordica Steadfast which is the little brother of the H&B.  It' s very quick and lively in the trees and bumps and has exceptional edge grip for a ski that doesn't have a metal sheet in it.  My son is about your size and he's now on Elan Apex/888 and loves them.  Rossi, Fischer, Atomic, Blizzard, Head and Salomon, as well as most of the indies all make good skis in the 90-100mm category.  Try several.  

 

There is another possibility for why you had trouble and that is boots.  Were you skiing in rental boots or your old boots?  Boots are the most important piece of ski gear you will buy and need to fit like the proverbial glove.  If yours are too big, most people's are, the skis won't respond when they should.  Go to the "Ask the Boot Guys" forum and read the wikis about fitting and terminology.  Then check the "Who's Who" for a a fitter near you.  If you're in the Banff area there is a good boot fitter.  Take care of boots first if you need to because trying to demo skis with bad boots is a waste of time and money.

post #3 of 15
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My boots I dont think are the problem. I went out and tried on about 6 different pairs at a few ski shops here in Calgary and settled on the Rossi Experience 110's. Overall feel very good, good and tight fitting but no problem spots or sore spots.

 

As for the skis, I'm up for more suggestions, I just don't want to go demo 5 pairs at 50 bucks a pair from the ski shop here. I did a bit of looking around today, was wondering about the Atomic Rituals. Seem to be about the same specs, but I haven't looked at the weight. As I said I'm very new to all this new technology and the last time I skied was when I was 14-15 with a pair of who knows what at the time! haha. 

 

I guess I'm worried about going in the 172cm range then regret it if I get some more experience. All the calculators indicate about a 175 though.

post #4 of 15

Good for you to get new boots and it sounds like they fit.  For where you ski, you're going to want a pair of skis with at least an early rise tip, also called tip rocker.  Some rocker in the tail might also be nice but isn't necessary unless you're planning to spend most of your time off-piste.  I would also recommend you get a ski that has some traditional camber too.  This will help the ski carve when you're on groomers.  Bear in mind that a ski with tip rocker will ski shorter than the designated length and if it has tip and tail rocker it will ski even shorter.  My son is 6' and is on 178s, so you should be looking for a ski in the 175-180cm range.  I would definitely not go shorter than 175 but you could go as long as 182-3.  Besides the Nordica Hell & Back, you might want to consider the Nordica Soul Rider which is a twin tip and the Salomon Rocker 2 108.  The Atomic Bent Chetler and Automatics are also excellent skis.  You might see if you can find a shop wherever you normally ski and ask if you can demo several skis on the same day.  It is pretty common to be able to swap out the demo skis during the day.  You should probably settle on an approximate width and then only consider skis that are just about that width, otherwise you will make yourself nuts looking at way too many skis.

post #5 of 15
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Should I be aiming for about 20% tip rocker? More? Less? I think I liked the width of the P98's that I tried on Monday, but I could always go a little more wide (104 would in my mind be my max). 

 

And yea I thought 172 might be a bit short, but the skis I tried were iether 172 or 179 and I found the 179 to be a bit long. I'll aim for a ski around the 175 mark though. 

 

The shop that I have been going to has demo's but it's 50 bucks a demo so I think even if I wanted to take out 2 that day, there goes 100 bucks. I know I get the money back for it though so it's not a total loss but still. They also don't sell Nordica.

post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by ellisd87 View Post

The shop that I have been going to has demo's but it's 50 bucks a demo so I think even if I wanted to take out 2 that day, there goes 100 bucks. I know I get the money back for it though so it's not a total loss but still. They also don't sell Nordica.

 

You need to ask them about this.  Any shop I've ever used for demos charges 50 or so bucks per day, not per set of skis you take out.  I've always been able to come in and swap out skis throughout the day with no extra charge.  Most shops also apply your demo fee toward the cost of your skis, if you decide to buy a set at that shop after demoing.

 

If neither of these is the case at the shop you're using, I say find another shop.

post #7 of 15

Try out an Atomic Access 181cm.

post #8 of 15

The Fischer Big Stix 98 would be another good option. Really responsive and nimble just about everywhere. Not a great carver, however, on the hard stuff. dawgcatching has a good review on the Watea 98, which is essentially the same ski.

post #9 of 15
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Originally Posted by Skierish View Post

 

You need to ask them about this.  Any shop I've ever used for demos charges 50 or so bucks per day, not per set of skis you take out.  I've always been able to come in and swap out skis throughout the day with no extra charge.  Most shops also apply your demo fee toward the cost of your skis, if you decide to buy a set at that shop after demoing.

 

If neither of these is the case at the shop you're using, I say find another shop.

They do apply the 50 bucks towards skis so it's not a total loss or anything. But they have a policy I'm not sure I really agree with. Lets say the ski is on sale for 100 bucks off and I have the 50 dollar credit, I only get the 100 bucks off, which I dont think is fair but maybe this is how all shops work.

 

I would go in and trade demo's in during the day but the shop is in Calgary and the closest decent mountain is approx an hour away so not really feasable. I will ask if I can take out 2 at a time and only pay 50 bucks though.

 

As for those Access 181's they look pretty good and similar to what I tried out with a bit more rocker which could be better for me. 181 seems daunting but I should be able to learn on them without issue. Thanks for the suggestion, it could also save me some dolla as it's quite a bit cheaper than the other ones I have been looking at!

post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Betaracer View Post

Try out an Atomic Access 181cm.

After looking up everything on these and reading some reviews I'm quite impressed. There is someone online selling them in my city for 290 for the skis alone so I might jump on that. Brand new 2011/12 model never mounted or anything.

post #11 of 15
Thread Starter 
Ended up buying the atomic access 181 from that guy. Ski looks brand new and definitely never mounted. One thing I noticed is if I put them down beside each other one seems to have more flex than the other. Or maybe one is flatter than the other by maybe half a cm. Not sure if its a defect or its common for them not to be exact.

Anyways now I gotta think of bindings. If someone wants to throw me a few to look into that would be super!
post #12 of 15

Atomic FFG12 or salomon Z12

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Betaracer View Post

Atomic FFG12 or salomon Z12

 

I was thinking the FFG's as well, didnt know if they were too "beginner" or not. I will check my local shops to see what they got.

 

Thanks!

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Ended up getting Salomon STH 12 Drivers for 200 from a local shop. They are gonna mount them up and give my skis a wax, should have them done next week sometime. Hopefully get some good snow soon!

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 

Finished product. Cant wait to get on these this weekend!

 

Went with Salomon STH 12 Drivers on the Atomic Access 181's

 

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