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post #1 of 14
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The attached photo shows some damage to my ski. I believe I caused it on an exposed rock on a steep section of Wolf Creek ten days ago, but the guy at my local ski shop says it looks as if it is a badly-done repair of earlier damage. This is strange, because I have never asked a shop to repair any damage. I had a basic ski tune late last season at Copper Mountain, but do not believe they left the shop looking like this. The skis have been in airline checked baggage twice this season.

 

Does this look like damage caused by hitting a rock? Or by a baggage handling machine? Or does it look like a botched repair that I really don't remember asking for?

 

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by jeff2010 View Post

The attached photo shows some damage to my ski. I believe I caused it on an exposed rock on a steep section of Wolf Creek ten days ago, but the guy at my local ski shop says it looks as if it is a badly-done repair of earlier damage. This is strange, because I have never asked a shop to repair any damage. I had a basic ski tune late last season at Copper Mountain, but do not believe they left the shop looking like this. The skis have been in airline checked baggage twice this season.

 

Does this look like damage caused by hitting a rock? Or by a baggage handling machine? Or does it look like a botched repair that I really don't remember asking for?

 

 

Almost certainly old repair.

post #3 of 14

I agree, the outside edge is much too uniform to be damage caused by skiing.  

post #4 of 14
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I have no memory of ever asking for ski repair. The skis are fairly new--Volkl AC30 from 2010-2011 season purchased new, and as far as I know have never been to a shop except for an overnight tuning at Copper last season. Is it possible that shop could somehow have caused damage and then tried to fix it without telling me??

 

The outside edge is straight when viewed in the photo, but not when viewed from the side of the ski.

post #5 of 14
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Originally Posted by jeff2010 View Post

I have no memory of ever asking for ski repair. The skis are fairly new--Volkl AC30 from 2010-2011 season purchased new, and as far as I know have never been to a shop except for an overnight tuning at Copper last season. Is it possible that shop could somehow have caused damage and then tried to fix it without telling me??

 

The outside edge is straight when viewed in the photo, but not when viewed from the side of the ski.

 

So you took a ski in for "an overnight tune"....but didnt expect them to fix a base gouge?  They would do it automatically unless you specifically told them not to. 

 

The "outside edge" referred to Turbeau was the "outside edge of the repair"...ie you can see a clear and perfectley semetric "arc" starting from the metal edge, going towards the ski center, and back to the edge...that was cut deliberatly by a tech, and then the new material was inserted...but it seems the new material was p-tex, usually when you do a cut like that, you use a patch of base material.

 

If you are suggesting, that you never had a base gouge to begin with...then assuming you got the skis new, then its likley at some point you somehow got someones elses ski.  Could have happened at the shop or on the rack.

post #6 of 14
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I suppose it's possible there was a gouge that they tried to fix during the overnight tuning, though like I say I don't remember that. I'll try to find the paperwork. If this is indeed a botched repair, do I have any recourse? (Shop is 2000 miles away).

 

Definitely not someone else's ski--there has been a small sticker on each ski that I put on after purchase.

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by jeff2010 View Post

I suppose it's possible there was a gouge that they tried to fix during the overnight tuning, though like I say I don't remember that. I'll try to find the paperwork. If this is indeed a botched repair, do I have any recourse? (Shop is 2000 miles away).

 

Definitely not someone else's ski--there has been a small sticker on each ski that I put on after purchase.


Just get it fixed, or fix it yourself...its not hard (would take around 15min)...if you pay a shop, it wont cost more then a stardard tune.  Or dont worry about it, if you are not racing on it, it wont really matter.  It is common for p-tex repairs to need to be redone. 

 

As for "botched"....on a scale of 1-10, 10 being perfect, 1 a total disaster...this would be about a 6-7.  Its not that bad...like I said above, there is no way any shop would charge more then the standard tune fee to fix that, and sharpen wax etc....

post #8 of 14
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My shop proposed a complicated repair including removing the metal edge (or a section of it) which has been ground thin there, and a multi-step base rebuild including time for layers of epoxy(?) to dry, that would take a couple of weeks and had a 25% chance of not being very successful. The cost would have been $120 including the tuning and other minor base repair. I don't know if they are over-selling or if the damage is worse when viewed in person. The hole in the photo next to the metal edge is fairly deep and supposedly will let moisture enter the ski.

 

In any case, I did not have them do the repair yet. If the damage is really from last season then I've already skied 5 days on it this season in NM and CO without incident. I've been hankering for another pair of skis anyway, so this may provide the needed impetus.

post #9 of 14

I was going to say it looks like a base grind accident which the previous shop covered up with a hasty repair.

 

Based on what your shop said, I don't think they are far off.

 

So if you are think about another set of skis anyway, go get them.

post #10 of 14

I would definitely have it fixed--because there's a deep hole next to the edge the edge is vulnerable to getting ripped out.  What the shop is proposing seems too much, unless there's damage to the sidewall your photo doesn't show.  The edge looks straight so I would leave it alone.  Metal grip in the deep hole and against the edge, base weld ptex (not drip candle) on top of the metal grip. It doesn't have to look pretty.  I've done repairs like that in my garage with a cheap base weld iron from Tognar and they don't come out. I've also had shop repairs that failed.  I agree with your shop that when you start replacing edges there is a high chance of failure.

post #11 of 14
Jeff, these skis are 2(ish) years old - how many days? How close to replacement? Quite honestly, I wouldn't worry about that if I saw it on my ski. Just take it into a shop (a DIFFERENT SHOP), have them do a tune, and point out the damage, asking for a new patch. Looks like a previous shop was trying to repair the bases, cut a peice out, and then dripped p-tex in it. P-tex can, and in a repair that large, usually will, come out. it happens, it's nothing to get too worked up about. Hankering for new skis? Buy away and then you REALLY don't have to worry about this!
post #12 of 14

This damage is certainly old and has been fixed in an incorrect way. Usually with damage to that extent, the base would need to be patched because the repair poly material would not be strong enough to bind/bold to the base. You need to take them to a shop that has a heat plate and the correct materials to perform the repair.

 

if you need any more help please contact me on callum@skiequipmentuk.com

 

Thanks

post #13 of 14

Just a bad repair. Take your skis to your local store and have them fix with a patch (using same/similar material to the ski base), not as earlier suggested with metalgrip or ptex. Usually with a patch, a service is required to level the base material.

post #14 of 14

as a repair tech of 15 years, i can definitely agree that this is a base weld repair. the old material, either of poor quality or poorly done, has dried out and cracked to the point where it is falling apart. i see it all the time. it will be required to scrape/cut it out and reweld with new material.
 

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