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Thread Starter 

If this has been covered in another thread here already I apologize.  I've searched and read many useful posts but I still have a few questions. Any input would be appreciated.

 

I'm 6'2" 255 pounds.  I've been skiing a set of Dynastar "nothing but troubles" 176ers.  They have suited me fine. They always have seemed heavy to me. Never had a problem carving. Not very stable at high speed straight lines.

 

I enjoy playing around in the "crud" on the sides and certainly enjoy a nice groomed trail. Never been a fan of the trees. Got my first taste of fresh powder last year and felt "out to lunch" with my dynastars. I've been told I need longer skies by a few buddies who claim to know what they are talking about. I'm ready to update and feel like I'm a better skier now then I was a few years ago and updating my equipment will only help me. Just need some reassurance that I'm heading in the right direction.

 

I've had my eyes on the Line Prophets and have decided that 90's would be suited for the East coast skiing that I do. (poconos, NY, VT once or twice a season). I'm leaning towards 186's because I've read these ski's feel like a shorter ski because of the rocker.  I've never skied a rocker before.  Ideally I'd love to demo a pair before I buy them but that seems to be easier said then done these days. In the past I've struggled with longer skies(back before my dynastars) so I'm leary and on the fence of going longer. yet wanting the stability of a longer ski.  I'm hoping the rocker technology will help make the longer ski's easier to turn.  

 

 

1. Besides the artwork is there any differences between the 2011, 2012, 2013 version of the Prophet 90s?

 

2. A tech at my local shop has recommended Rossignal S3's.  Input? suggestions? Any chance someone out there has demo'd both the P90's and S3's?

 

Thanks for your time

 

DB

post #2 of 16

Line Prophet 90 is 90 mm underfoot, Rossi S3 is 98.

 

I own the 2009 Line Prophet 90's (green mountain-motif top sheet.) I don't know how/if the ski has changed since then (my model does not have any rocker.) It is my daily driver in West Virginia (over the past 2.5 seasons). I'm 6'1", 200 lbs, ski it in the 179. I am an advanced skier who skis everything (trees, bumps, crud, etc), with a personal bias towards short fall-line turns. I've found the LP 90's to be surprisingly burly and have almost a bit of a planky feel (versus what some reviews stated and versus other skis I've used, which are in the 80mm category.) But since you out weigh me by 50+ pounds, that shouldn't be an issues of you, even in the 186. There is a lot of metal in the LP 90's.They have very nice edge hold for the width and are a versatile ski for the EC; they also are a nice ski for out West (but I prefer other skis for out West.) I brought the LP 90's out on a Utah trip this past December, and they did real well in softer snow (up to knee deep.)

 

I just bought a pair of this current Rossi S3, but I haven't skied them yet. (I got a good deal on them, looking for a ski to mount some Atomic Tracker bindings on.) I did demo the S3's a few years ago (only a few groomed runs @ a local demo day), and I remember them to be a capable and versatile ski. I got the S3's pretty short (178). I'd prefer a length of around 182, but since I'm using them for WV side country, I wanted a quicker turner ski, and the 186 would be a bit too long for the tight lines I'd be skiing. The S3 is a pretty short ski for it's stated length (only a 1 cm stated length diff from the LP 90's, but there is a greater difference in actual length when standing them on end.) I'll likely dig out the S3 one of the next two weekends and let you know how I like them.

 

The LP 90 is probably better for edge hold on icier surfaces, the S3 better in deeper snow and probably for carving on decent groomed snow.

 

I can probably give you more insight in a week or so once I ski them side by side.
 

Edit: looks like the LP 90 changed in 2012, so my comparison may not mean much. YMMV.

post #3 of 16

I would go with the Line Prophets given your size and weight.   The prophets have metal in their construction unlike the S3.  Also, the 90mm waist is going to better for the skiing in the east and will handle the ice better than the S3.

 

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1. Besides the artwork is there any differences between the 2011, 2012, 2013 version of the Prophet 90s?

 

    2012 and 2013 have early rise.

 

 

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 I'm leaning towards 186's because I've read these ski's feel like a shorter ski because of the rocker.

 

Unless you're a beginner, 186 would be the right size based on your size and weight.  Twin tips and early rise will make it ski shorter. 

post #4 of 16
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I enjoy playing around in the "crud" on the sides and certainly enjoy a nice groomed trail. Never been a fan of the trees.

 

Re-read the OP. I think the S3's will be too wide. Given your size, look from 80-90mm underfoot.
 

post #5 of 16

I will echo what has been said here by saying that the P90 is probably what you are looking for. I also think you would be fine on the 186s.

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input everyone. My local shop was able to locate a pair of 186's for me. Pairing them up with a set of Marker Griffon Bindings. Hoping to have them ready for a trip to NY on Friday.  I will post my thoughts and comments as a follow up with hope that it may help someone in the future. Awesome site and forums here. Really glad I stumbled upon it.

 

DB

post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 

So I got to try out the new sticks last Friday at Hunter Mountain. Most of the mountain was hard packed. A few icy spots here and there but nothing major.  I would call the conditions good overall.

 

So after skiing the Line Prophet 90's for a day I'm not really sure how I was able to ski on my Dynastars. The Line's handled everything I threw at them and then some 10 times better then my old skies.  From carving, to bouncing around in the soft stuff on the sides of the runs to straightlineing there is room for me to push them harder. I even made a few runs thru the bumps and moguls to the point that I got pretty comfortable. I was worried about hard pack and ice because of going to the wider ski but never did I feel like that was the case. These performed better then the 77mm underfoot ski's I was used to. The other apprehension of the length was only really noticeable in the bumps. The only area's that had anything fluffy and powdery were runs where they were blowing snow. Which ultimately turned into a nightmare because of the visibility issue.

 

My feedback may be a bit biased as I've only ever demo'd one other type of ski in the last 5 years. And yes it performed better then my Dynastars. So take this for what it's worth.  

 

I think the biggest thing that can be taken from this is if your skiing something that's a few years old and are on the fence about upgrading to something newer. With the technology out there today do it!  

 

Thanks again for those who put there two cents in. I appreciate the reassurance to go ahead and pull the trigger on getting the Line Prophet 90's. I'm certainly not regretting it. At least not until the weather changes and I need to start spending money on my mountain bike.

post #8 of 16

Glad to hear you like your new skis! 

post #9 of 16

glad you like your new skis. I just bought the 2013 prophet 90's after reading reviews here and demoing a couple of weeks ago. I have always skied a GS ski and these hold up at speed like a GS but blast through the crud like a truck. The early tip and tail rise make my 179's turn like 170's but the length really comes into play when you lay them down on a big GS turn. ebaying off my old Stockli's felt like a divorce but my new "girlfriends" are very cool.

post #10 of 16

I skiied this years Prophet 90 in a 172 yesterday on soft groomers and some crud... ski rips.

 

It is different from the '09 model, which I used to own. I'm 5'8'', 175lbs, and the 172 was a little bit short- it was kind of unstable at higher speeds. Still felt like a great ski that can do anything; don't be afraid of the sidecut/under foot width as this thing can turn quick if you want it to.

 

Go with the 186's and have some fun- the only difference between this year's ski and next year's ski will be the top-sheet graphic.

 

I am tempted to get a pair of these next year.

post #11 of 16

Ha, oops... probably should have read past the first two posts.

 

 

Enjoy them! Fwiw, I like the Prophet 90's a lot better than the Rossi S3s but that's my opinion. I do like the S7s.

post #12 of 16
FWIW - I am 5' 9" and 150 lbs and the LP90 at 172 is perfect for me. Does it all, especially good in crud, medium powder and bumps. i like tree skiing so I put a premium on quickness and these rock, but these also handle GS turns and track well at speed. I am curious is anyone has skied the 98's and if you loose much quickness.
post #13 of 16

I demoed both the 90's and 98's, and ultimately ended up buying the 90's.  The main reason I went with the 90's was the quickness in the trees, and also a slightly shorter turn radius which gives me more flexibility of turn shape when on piste.  The 90's are so quick and swervy in the trees and bumps, it's almost cheating!

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FWIW - I am 5' 9" and 150 lbs and the LP90 at 172 is perfect for me. Does it all, especially good in crud, medium powder and bumps. i like tree skiing so I put a premium on quickness and these rock, but these also handle GS turns and track well at speed. I am curious is anyone has skied the 98's and if you loose much quickness.

I have the 98s in 179cm and they are pretty quick to me when you want them to be. I thought they were fun in the bumps as well as doing all size turns on groomers. I haven't skied the trees with them. Pretty versatile ski. I'm 6-1, 175# and ski in CA. I haven't skied the 90, so I can't compare.

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I have a set of the P100's and love them for powder and spring conditions.  I find them not to be a problem in the trees unless the snow is very firm, otherwise they're a lot of fun.

100 underfoot, if you're coming from something thin underfoot will take a bit of getting used to.

 

This year I picked up a pair of Line Chronic's because I found the Prophets, with the metal in them, to be a bit stiff in the bumps. 

The Chronic's are a fun all mountain ski.

Since they're 92 underfoot, they're also a bit quicker edge-edge than the P100s.

 

The only problem I have with both pairs is that the inside edge get's shredded very quickly and also on one P100, the shovel started to delaminate.  Nothing that  gob of epoxy couldn't fix though.

post #16 of 16
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If this has been... 

 

 

1. Besides the artwork is there any differences between the 2011, 2012, 2013 version of the Prophet 90s?

 

2. A tech at my local shop has recommended Rossignal S3's.  Input? suggestions? Any chance someone out there has demo'd both the P90's and S3's?   Did he recommend them for you after gaining a good understanding of your skill, style, and terrain skied? Or did he make a blanket recommendation on the basis that he has skied the S3 and likes it for some reason?

 

 

Thanks for your time

 

DB

All too often, less knowledgeable/less effective sales people take a very self-centered approach to selling skis. They recommend Ski X to anyone and everyone because it works well for their own purposes which may or may not have anything to do with the customer's needs and preferences. The same thing happens when less experienced buyers purchase based on the magazine reviews without regard for the differences between their own wants and needs and those of the reviewers-- who tend to be very elite skiers. We all have a tendency to over estimate our skill level and want to think we're just like those elite skiers who do the magazine reviews.

 

Based upon the very minimal information I have about you and your skiing I could probably think of a dozen skis that would be as good or better of a recommendation for you than the S3. But don't take my word for it either. I don't have enough info about you to make much of a recommendation.  Do your homework--read here and elsewhere to boost your ski vocabulary. Learn the characteristics of various categories of skis. (There are much bigger differences between the categories within a brand than there are between brands within a category.) Ask unbiased and knowledgeable experts and know why they recommend ski a or ski b for you. If they don't ask a lot of questions about your skiing before they blurt out a recommomendation, move on. Finally, based on your research and a dose of reality testing, demo a handful of  skis that you think meet your needs and wants. Decide based upon your experience and how the ski matches the realities of your skill level and the terrain and conditions in which you intend to use them. Recommendations from others should only be a means of narrowing the field from which to choose. Your final choice should be about you and the ski.

 

Once you've made a well informed decision, don't 2nd guess your selection. Having appropriately narrowed the field, enjoying anything is more about exploring and learning to use the thing you've selected than it is about your selection. 2nd guessing actually creates dissatisfaction. Do your own homework so you can love the skis you buy!  Best of luck!

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