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Edge Bevels- which does what?

post #1 of 7
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I'm interested in thoughts about what changes in edge bevels would do in combinations on a particular ski.

For example, what would be the feel difference between a 1base/1side, and a 1base/3side? My guess is the 3side would have better hard snow grip, but at what cost?

I have thought that the base edge bevel determines the "edginess" a ski feels, and the side edge bevel determines the actual "hold".

I realize the combined angle (90,89,etc) plays a big role, like a 1base, 90 side would feel dull, and a flat base, 1 side would be "sharper".

Why should we not all ski with higher side edge bevels? Is it only a matter of edge life, or also of 'feel'?

Would a WC/FIS slalom tune feel edgy on the flats? or only bite like hell on the steeps...


post #2 of 7
My recent [last Sunday] experience with this subject: My skis are Rossi T-Power [this year called Viper S] in 160 cm, and K2 [this year called Axis (no X)] in 167 cm length. The Rossis are shorty slalom, the K2's are widish all mountain skis that plow through everything like an Abrahms Tank on steroids. Because of the refusal of Vermont snow to match last year's epic conditions [translation - the snow is very very hard], I decided to improve my chances for edge grip by changing the bevel. The original bevels on each pair were 1 degree base, 1 degree side. Since the Alpine Shop in South Burlington, Vermont has a Wintersteiger tuner, I took both pairs in and asked for a change to: 1 degree base, 2 degree side. Then I took the babies out for a spin on the dust-on-crust, damn-near-ice, and ice to which we're being treated this season. Preliminary impressions: The wide K2's appeared to enjoy a more certain grip, although they are not my first choice for that kind of skiing. The Rossi T-Powers were, and always have been, the better ski for ice grip, and they did not surpise me in upholding that expectation - but - BUT: The T-Powers did not benefit as much as the widish K2's, and in fact, in more lateral movement on shorter turns, the tips tended to skitter - which did not happen with the K2's. If my second day of testing confirms these impressions, I will leave the K2's as is, but I will have the Rossi shorty slaloms returned to their original 1 base, 1 side bevel. I know I will lose some edge in doing that, but it's worth it to have the tune I prefer. Any observations or opinions from Bob Barnes, nolobolono, et al.?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 01, 2002 07:29 PM: Message edited 1 time, by oboe ]</font>
post #3 of 7
Have a look at this Matt,may answer some of your questions. web page
post #4 of 7
Hey, Van! Welcome, and thank you for the web page. Geat article! And it gives me som thoughts for less sharpness at the tips and tails - but I'll need to have some further advice on that.
post #5 of 7
Well, I did it. Today at Smugglers Notch, the conditions were not all BAD, mind you - there WAS some good snow. In addition, there was some ice. It turns out that the new 1 degree base and 2 degrees side bevel was not the ticket. While both the Rossi T-Power shorty slaloms and the K2 mid-fats carved fine GS turns, in the shorter type of turning done in other situations [which I prefer] - not so hot. Rather than either biting or allowing a controlled skid, they skittered. When I really stomped on the edge in a shorter turn, it would bite if I put all my weight on that one edge - but heck, they did that ok before anyway. In softer snow, the K2's did ok but seemed somewhat grabby - TOO sharp. So: I left the mountain, drove right to the Alpine Shop in South Burlington, Vermont, and asked the tech to put these onto the Wintersteiger tuner and get the edges back to 1 degree base, 1 degree side. That's the manufacturers' original factory bevels on both the Rossis and the K2's, and I guess they knew what they were doing in the first place. So there. When my time and conditions permit [we expect rain here tonight, and I'll be on the road all day Monday], I'll try 'em again and file another report.
post #6 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks VANISLESKIER for the web page. I have read that before in the Tognar catalog.

I still, however, am curious about the FEEL differences between small changes- particularly with all mountain skiing in mind (read: turns are not always carved...)

For example- I have demo'd some skis from a shop before that were SO GRABBY that when trying to make a little wedge into the lift line, the tips would crash into each other. No skid possible. Is that because of a concave ski (probably), too little base-bevel (maybe), or too much side edge bevel (I doubt it)? How would you know?

What would be the difference in feel between a ski with no base or side bevel and one with "lots" of each?


OBOE- how'd the Rossi's work out?
post #7 of 7
Now add the degree of slope into the equation..... if ya' wanna get polar about it. Keep large doses of medication handy .... Just last weekend I was playing with the bevel and the fore/aft on the bindings ....... Did I loose a bit of sanity? And ..... NO ..... I do NOT want to discuss my conclusions .... I don't have any conclusions ...... or it could'a been the wax cause I "treated" myself to a dose of my kids $$$$$$$$$$$70 a gram super duper fluro! : :
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