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I'm just effing flagging the abusive posts on this thread. You guys seem to think your hatred of Josh justifies being nasty and putting Josh and Bob down. I'm not making any excuses for anyone else, but IMO some of you ought to be banned from any thread with comments like "Bob Peters....the biggest yahoo on this site.......In case you don't know he skis at JACKSON HOLE MOUNTAIN RESORT....Yahoooooo!!!!" and "SHUT UP JOSH.... You twit. "


Infantile and offensive. Get off of my lawn!

They've been removed. 
Thanks. Keep up the good work. No, I mean really, keep it up. It's very much appreciated.
post #62 of 86

Hmmm.......Slushman's at Bridger is 3800 long and 1700 vert for a ratio of 2.23.


Edited by volantaddict - 5/12/14 at 2:22am
post #63 of 86
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Originally Posted by Josh Matta View Post
 

 

 

 

                               Length      Vert       Ratio

MRG single Chair       5232       2000       2.61

 

I am really curious what the steepest 2k and 3k verrtical lifts in the world are.

 

 

Well, the Grizzly at Snowbowl is 2000 vertical feet, and is 5200 feet long, or a ratio of 2.6.

post #64 of 86

Headwaters at Big Sky: 1500 feet long, 686 vertical for a 2.18 ratio.

post #65 of 86
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Originally Posted by bump skier View Post
 

Honeycomb canyon lift at solitude

 

655 vert

 

1300 length

 

=1.98

 

Lone peak tram at big sky

 

1450 vert

 

3300 length

 

=2.28

 

If skistats.com is accurate I believe the honeycomb canyon chair is the winner

 

Big Sky tram is1450 vert but 2828 in length for a ratio of 1.95, skistats.com is wrong about the length.   http://bigskyresort.com/the-mountain/mountain-stats-and-info

post #66 of 86

Our humble old tram has a vertical of 730 meters over 2133 meters in length, for a ratio of 2.9.


Edited by prickly - 5/12/14 at 5:14am
post #67 of 86

How would you figure the old 'Mine Lift' at Park City?

 

It is long gone since about 1970 or so, probably closed by OSHA or the like.  It was an old mine train going into the mountain, then you would catch an elevator back to the surface.  Think you ended up around the bottom of the Bonanza lift, but it has been a long time.

 

Think about it and this could a less expensive way to build a major lift in mining country.  You could still harvest the minerals in some locations that could pay for the lift. 

 

The train had a negative slope, but the elevator was vertical.  Would that be 0.00?

post #68 of 86

Deep Temerity chair at Aspen Highlands deserves a mention: 1122.5 meters long, 520.5 meters up, for a ratio of 2.16, with skiing to match!

 

If my math is right, that equates to 994.5 meters horizontally ("run") for that 520.5 m rise, which means it averages a 52% gradient (rise divided by run), or 27.6 degrees pitch, for nearly 3/4 mile. That seems about right, although it serves terrain with sustained pitches in the 35-45 degree range at the top, decreasing toward the bottom.

 

I miss it already!

 

Best regards,

Bob

post #69 of 86
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I doubt any lift anywhere in the world is statistically steeper that than Big Sky Tram

Maybe, but note that Lone Peak is 1,460 vertical and the steepest chairs in North America are relatively short:

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7th Heaven lift at Stevens is steeper than Great Scott (having been on both). 1380 length, 687 vert = 2.0087
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Honeycomb canyon lift at solitude

 

655 vert

 

1300 length

 

=1.98

Those are quite short lifts.  The Marte chairlift at Las Lenas is on a different scale completely:  5,577 feet long for 2,567 vertical.  That's 2.17.  

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The second stage of the Aguille du Midi in Chamonix is length 2867 height 1460 which is a ratio of 1.96

I'm sure that's in meters, and I'd be surprised it that isn't the steepest lift with big vertical (4,788 feet) in the world.  As for chairlifts, I challenge anyone to find a chair as steep as Marte with even half its 2,567 vertical.

post #70 of 86
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

The Marte chairlift at Las Lenas is on a different scale completely:  5,577 feet long for 2,567 vertical.  That's 2.17

 

As for chairlifts, I challenge anyone to find a chair as steep as Marte with even half its 2,567 vertical.

 

Uh, didn't Bob overcome your challenge a few months ago?

 

 

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Deep Temerity chair at Aspen Highlands deserves a mention: 1122.5 meters long, 520.5 meters up, for a ratio of 2.16, with skiing to match!

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Not sure if this is east or west, but definitely one of the steepest lifts in South America.  Marte Lift at Las Lenas in Argentina.  I think the insurance standards are a little different down there.

post #72 of 86
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Uh, didn't Bob overcome your challenge a few months ago?

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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post
 

Deep Temerity chair at Aspen Highlands deserves a mention: 1122.5 meters long, 520.5 meters up, for a ratio of 2.16, with skiing to match!

 

 

 

I didn't go back and reread old posts.  The ratios are essentially equal (I measured Marte with Google Earth, so should be close but not an "official" measurement), so a good analogy.  I suspect many of us have skied Deep Temerity and been suitably impressed, so consider that Marte is that steep with 50% more vertical.

post #73 of 86

Chamonix beats everybody by a country mile, in steepness *and* vertical.  It's not the cable length, it's the point-to-point values: around 9200' vert in about 17,000' length = well over 30deg average.  Game over.

 

Some good'uns in the west, noted before:

High Campbell at Crystal

Schlasman's at Bridger

Al's at Taos

Pali at A-Basin

But don't forget...

Warm Springs at Sun Valley!

3100' vert at around 22 degrees, steeper and taller than Snowbird's tram.  Climbs 3k faster than *almost* anything in N. America.  Terrain is easy though, absolutely constant.

Jackson's tram starts in beginner country...


Edited by whippersnapper - 7/6/14 at 11:48pm
post #74 of 86
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Originally Posted by whippersnapper View Post
 

Chamonix beats everybody by a country mile, in steepness *and* vertical.  It's not the cable length, it's the point-to-point values: around 9200' vert in about 17,000' length = well over 30deg average.  Game over.

 

No, it doesn't... because read the thread title.  ;)

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This website has lifts listed in order of steepness:

http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=WY

Unfortunately it's not always accurate.  According to the URL above Thunder chair at Jackson is 2612/1456 = 1.79.  That smells wrong in view of Sublette being 4108/1630 = 2.52

 

This site http://www.skilifts.org/old/ has been around for awhile and is often the go-to source for lift stats.  It agrees with the other site on Sublette but has Thunder at 3612/1456 = 2.48  Looks like a typo on http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=WY

 

Here's Colorado for http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=CO

#3 is Deep Temerity 4300/1800 = 2.38  http://www.skilifts.org/old/co-highlands.htm says 3683/1708 = 2.16, exact stats quoted by Bob Barnes

#2 is Timberline at Winter Park  3825/1712 = 2.23  This is obviously wrong.  skilifts.org does not have stats for this lift but Google Earth says it's 7181 feet long.

#1 is Silverton's lift 3700/1712 = 2.18 on http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=CO 

That could be right, but given widespread errors on that site (check http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=WA for more conspicuous errors) I'd want a corroborating source.

 

We have an issue with quality of data sources.  http://www.skistats.com has the data organized the way we want for this search but has numerous errors on their lists plus a likely small inaccuracy for Temerity.  http://www.skilifts.org has more limited data but better accuracy.  However, it's wrong for the Lone Peak tram at Big Sky, claiming only 833 vertical, which is probably a miscopy from the Lone Peak triple chair.

 

Both sources agree that Scott at Alpine Meadows is 2250/1068 = 2.10

 

If the ratio is close, I think length matters a lot in terms of the ski experience.  Temerity is a tougher challenge than Scott IMHO. 


Edited by Tony Crocker - 7/7/14 at 11:36am
post #76 of 86
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View PostAccording to the URL above Thunder chair at Jackson is 2612/1456 = 1.79.  That smells wrong in view of Sublette being 4108/1630 = 2.52

Right, Thunder Chair is a tad steeper, at about 23.4 deg., than the Sublette Chair.  Thunder's length is about 3400-3500 ft.  That website is full of bad data.  The best way to measure this stuff is with Google Earth's ruler.

post #77 of 86

According to 2013-14 JHMR trail map, Thunder is 3612' long with 1456' vertical. The numbers from Sublette agree with what Tony Crocker posted.

post #78 of 86
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#2 is Timberline at Winter Park  3825/1712 = 2.23  This is obviously wrong.  skilifts.org does not have stats for this lift but Google Earth says it's 7181 feet long.

 

Timberline no longer exists. It was replaced in 2007 with the Panoramic Express. The 7181 foot figure you quote looks correct for Panoramic Express.

 

Timberline had a very different alignment. The lower terminal was at the base of the Larkspur trail, and I believe the drive station remains there.  The 3825 number looks correct for that lift.

 

Timberline did not have a 1700 vert.  Looks more like 1000 on Google Earth.

post #79 of 86
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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
 

This website has lifts listed in order of steepness:

http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=WY

Unfortunately it's not always accurate.  According to the URL above Thunder chair at Jackson is 2612/1456 = 1.79.  That smells wrong in view of Sublette being 4108/1630 = 2.52

I would agree with the bold, underlined statement above.  I just checked it for the ski areas I'm familiar with and it is so far out of line that a monkey could have been more accurate.  The steepest chair in the state of Washington is Daisy at Stevens Pass (50 degrees)  according to this source.  Actually, Daisy is a beginner hill, the chair runs right up the middle of the slope which is perfect for first timers.  In some places it's so flat you could play pool on it.  It also lists chair lifts that don't exist, and never have at Mt. Baker.  I'm sure there are lots more problems but I didn't bother to look any farther.

post #80 of 86

According to Stevens Pass website Daisy has a vertical of 308'.

 

Another couple examples of inaccuracy is http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=UT

The first two entries are Viking triple chair at Deer Valley with rise of 135' and length of 150' and Olympic tram at Snowbasin with rise of 1047' and length of 1165'. Both are 64 degrees with over 200% slope! Correct vertical for tram at Snowbasin is 526' according to map on their website.

post #81 of 86
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Originally Posted by whippersnapper View Post
 

Chamonix beats everybody by a country mile, in steepness *and* vertical.  It's not the cable length, it's the point-to-point values: around 9200' vert in about 17,000' length = well over 30deg average.  Game over.

 

Some good'uns in the west, noted before:

High Campbell at Crystal

Schlasman's at Bridger

Al's at Taos

Pali at A-Basin

But don't forget...

Warm Springs at Sun Valley!

3100' vert at around 22 degrees, steeper and taller than Snowbird's tram.  Climbs 3k faster than *almost* anything in N. America.  Terrain is easy though, absolutely constant.

Jackson's tram starts in beginner country...


And for sheer, pants-wetting terror, nothing can top the old single-cable Brevant lift at Chamonix, thankfully replaced in 1979.  I literally got off and kissed the ground, while two Cham ski patrollers stood by laughing.

post #82 of 86
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And for sheer, pants-wetting terror, nothing can top the old single-cable Brevant lift at Chamonix, thankfully replaced in 1979.  I literally got off and kissed the ground, while two Cham ski patrollers stood by laughing.


Was that the upper tram on Brevant that only had a top and bottom station - no towers? If so, I rode it in Summer of 1977, on my first trip to Europe and remember that it was very steep at the top.

post #83 of 86

Exactly.  And halfway down, there was a big sign in three or four languages that said, basically, "If you found that to be difficult skiing, please ride the tram down the rest of the way."

post #84 of 86
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The steepest chair in the state of Washington...

That's why I referenced Washington as probably the most error-prone state on that site.  I've only skied Crystal and Baker, but everything about Baker was wrong on http://www.skistats.com/slopes_.asp?state=WA . 

 

It is unfortunate that competence in web page design doesn't go hand in hand with the facts(?) presented thereon.

 

I know the access trams to Brevant and Flegere rise steeply over south facing terrain.  They were strictly access lifts when I was there in Feb. 2004, with a horrendous line to get off the mountain at the end of the day.  How often is there enough snow to ski down to Chamonix under those lifts?

post #85 of 86
That ski stats database is useless for here as well. Numbering and names mostly wrong. Premise might make sense many places but not here.

It looks like someone's project that he lost interest in. Makes we worried about my own sites.
post #86 of 86

The Eibsee Cable Car at Zugspitze-- Germany, obviously a side-point to a U.S.-focused thread-- goes 6,398 vertical in 14,600 feet, for a ratio of 2.28, over only two support towers. 

 

That's pretty steep for pretty long distance-- and it goes fast, doing it all in 10 minutes.

 

According to wikipedia, which could be wrong, it's also the greatest elevation gain of any single-section aerial cableway. 

 

According to me, it's a bit freaky at the top. 

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