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The most dangerous ski slopes in the World

post #1 of 66
Thread Starter 

Today on msn.com, aimed at the general public, there is a list of the most dangerous ski slopes in the world. Turns out I have not skied any of them.

 

Lets make this into a playful competition. How many of the slopes have you skied? The winner is awarded "The most Dangerous skier on Epic". Here is the list: 

 

1. Al's Run (Taos)

2. Black Hole (Smugglers Notch)

3. Delirium Drive (Sunshine Village)

4. Grand Couloir (Courchevel)

5. Harakiri (Mayrhofen)

6. La Grave

7. Paradise (Mad River Glen)

8. La Chavanette (Avoriaz)

9. Rambo (Crested Buttle)

 

So how many did you ski? And what was it like?

 

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post #2 of 66

I would add any beginners slope during the holidays.

post #3 of 66

I've skied Paradise at MRG.  It's certainly a challenging trail, but I'm not sure I'd call it "dangerous".  It wasn't like "falling" = "dying" or anything like that.

 

The scariest trails I've been on have been blue cruisers filled with the masses, most of whom couldn't turn if their life depended on it.

post #4 of 66

Hey, maybe we can do this in sequence.  We've already got zero and one, I've skied two on the list (7&9) but I wouldn't call them dangerous.  I do agree that the congested cruisers that I sometimes end up are have got to be the most dangerous runs of the day.

 

I've done some sidecountry runs with a group that didn't stay together.  That was dangerous.

 

I've done a lot of tree skiing by myself.  That was dangerous.

 

I usually drive at least 3k miles on a ski trip.  That's really dangerous.

post #5 of 66

I've never even been to any of those ski areas, so I obviously haven't skied those runs.

Despite that, I still say just about any narrowish cat-track leading back to a base area at the end of a busy day tops them all!

post #6 of 66

The Burma Road at Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania during XMas week.

 

Scariest trail ever.

post #7 of 66
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

The Burma Road at Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania during XMas week.

 

Scariest trail ever.

 

Yup. 

post #8 of 66

The slide for life fall seems to be the most dangerous event in skiing. Therefore, the most dangerous slopes are dog-leg couloirs or hanging snowfields. In the U.S. many such lines are closed, at least when icy. In Europe you have to use your judgement. So I'm sure you can put yourself in a severely dangerous situation in Europe, Chamonix or La Grave for example.

post #9 of 66
Thread Starter 

I guess Chassoure in Verbier can be classified as dangerous. Here is the reason why:

 

post #10 of 66
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The slide for life fall seems to be the most dangerous event in skiing.

There seems to be some debate about which is more dangerous, the steep triple-black rated slope or the blue groomer on a weekend. I think the second is more dangerous because most skiers are blissfully unaware of the danger while most skiers on the extreme slopes are well aware of the dangers and have their radar on high alert. I have seen a person gravely injured at a Level I PSIA clinic while skiing a warm up run on a blue rated slope on an ordinary day in a small group of other candidates. That changed my mind forever about managing the risks of inherent in skiing. One risk is shooting off into the trees on the side of the run when you least expect it. I always give the trees on the side of blue runs lots of respect (and try not to spend much time on blue runs). 

post #11 of 66

I have skied Delerium Dive and there certainly are places in it that would be disastrous for 99% of skiers and are easily accessed if you don't know the area and/or the visibility is poor (which it usually is). That being said it is also very easy to ski the central part of the area and have an easy go of it - solid upper level black steepness on even grade terrain. It is hard to say overall it is very dangerous because the central part is not dangerous and you need a working transceiver to open the gate - cost of admission limits who goes in to people that generally have more knowledge and skill.

post #12 of 66
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

There seems to be some debate about which is more dangerous, the steep triple-black rated slope or the blue groomer on a weekend. I think the second is more dangerous because most skiers are blissfully unaware of the danger while most skiers on the extreme slopes are well aware of the dangers and have their radar on high alert. I have seen a person gravely injured at a Level I PSIA clinic while skiing a warm up run on a blue rated slope on an ordinary day in a small group of other candidates. That changed my mind forever about managing the risks of inherent in skiing. One risk is shooting off into the trees on the side of the run when you least expect it. I always give the trees on the side of blue runs lots of respect (and try not to spend much time on blue runs). 

 

To add to the "what is the most dangerous" debate:  after the inevitable thaw/refreeze cycles here in New England (and probably elsewhere), the slopes can easily turn into something that is best groomed with a zamboni.  There have been several skier deaths on "easy" New England trails after thaw/refreeze cycles due to falls easily sending skiers onto a slide-for-life into the trees (or into snowmaking guns).

 

To me, the "scary" rating goes:

  1. Wall-to-wall you-can-see-a-fish-through-it ice.
  2. Crowded blue cruisers
  3. Everything else.
post #13 of 66
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post

There seems to be some debate about which is more dangerous, the steep triple-black rated slope or the blue groomer on a weekend. I think the second is more dangerous because most skiers are blissfully unaware of the danger while most skiers on the extreme slopes are well aware of the dangers and have their radar on high alert

 

Have to agree with this.  A steep extreme trail is like a rattlesnake...the danger is obvious and easy to avoid.  The blue groomer is like...some other not so obvious dangerous snake.  It sucks in the young an uninitiated and invites carelessness.  There was a death just yesterday at Keystone on such a trail.

post #14 of 66

great list! hope to get to those places someday! and return from them in one piece would be great as well!

post #15 of 66
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

The Burma Road at Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania during XMas week last Saturday.

 

Scariest trail ever.

Fixed it for you.

post #16 of 66

I've skied 3 (#1, 7 &9).  As usual, I'm not sure how they rate these when there are many tougher runs within these ski areas.  Might have more to do with marketing.  Al's at Taos is visible from the run so people know it.  Rambo at CB is easily accessed and is a traditional run (no chute, no cliffs, wide, etc).  Paradise is well known because it's in the east...

post #17 of 66

I looked down into Rambo a few years ago, but it was a stumpy rocky mess.  Otherwise, it didn't look too bad, and on a good snow year it is easily do-able.  Haven't skied any of the other ones.

 

Otherwise I'd go with the general consensus that a crowded icy blue is probably responsible for way more injuries than a double black.

post #18 of 66
Have done Al's and Paridis never considered them dangerous both speed controlled runs , I am much more concerned about firm steep slopes that a fall results in going to the bottom out of control .
post #19 of 66

Anywhere you are when Ullr says, "game over"!  

 

When the local fauna goes on a feeding frenzy there is danger to the unsuspecting skier.  What can you reasonably do when you have been placed on the dinner menu by the: crud clams, cornice crabs, mogul mice, ice worms, snow snakes, ET AL.  Situational awareness always helps but will not make you bullet-proof on a green or a cliff band.

 

Done 3 on the list, as I recall, they all had my undivided attention at the time.  (dumb list)

post #20 of 66

Hunta on a Saturday afternoon when they say there's free beer at the base.

 

K-Mart on Stupidstar when it's the only run left.

post #21 of 66
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post

The Burma Road at Blue Mountain, Pennsylvania during XMas week.

 

Scariest trail ever.

As Philpug stated, "Yup", and not just on Christmas week.

 

For those not in-the-know, Burma is a narrow green trail with 2 - 180 degree turns that no beginner can navigate.

post #22 of 66

Even for just the USA resorts, most dangerous would certainly be some inbounds named XX drops in The West.   None of those mogul runs haha.  Certain those on the TGR forum would laugh at much of that list.

post #23 of 66

[quote]6. La Grave

7. Paradise (Mad River Glen)[/quote]

 

Funny to see those two beside each other. Also, they seem to be focusing on specific "ski slopes" but then they just put "La Grave"? What do they mean, obviously some of the routes there are in another world compared to North American ski resorts, but then again they are not pistes.

post #24 of 66

I've skied Paradise at MRG and Black Hole at Smuggs.  Both are challenging, fun trails.  But among the most dangerous in the world?  Not even close.
 

post #25 of 66

It sems like Europe should dominate that list because of the crevices in the Alps.I

 

 would like to se a top 10 list of Europe. I hear the Chaminoix region and La Grave are gnarly.

 

Didnt Doug Coombs die there?

post #26 of 66

Al's Run?  LOL, I guess I've done oneth_dunno-1[1].gif

 

FWIW, thought dropping the cornice of the West Basin Ridge was harder than Al's.  Al's run seemed like a typical lift line trail to me.  A bit nasty at points, but doable for most advanced skiers.  Very much like Extrovert at BK and Liftline at Stowe

 

+1 to Huntahhh at happy hour..

post #27 of 66

Have they defined what "most dangerous" actually means? 

Is it the run you are most likely to die or most likely to be injured?

And please tell me what the "La Grave" ski run is??

 

This is a list from MSN??...I'm holding my nose and refusing to vote

And yes I've skied 2...Paradise and Black Hole...nobody's died on either to my knowledge

post #28 of 66

The most dangerous run of all?

 

WROD

 

Every Resort has one in the beggining of every ski season.

 

I know of at least of 3 fatalities on one run where I used to Patrol.

 

Does that make it a most dangerous run? I think so but it's not on the list.

post #29 of 66
Al's Run isn't even the most dangerous run at Taos, so I quit reading at that point.
post #30 of 66

#1. Al's - just a long mogul run, not sure why it would be dangerous - lots of other stuff at Taos that would be much more dangerous

#2. Black Hole - I guess since its tight in the trees in some areas it could be considered dangerous

#7. Paradise - same comment as black hole...

for #2 and #7 if its east coast ice, increases the danger factor a bit, but still, there are so many other runs that are much more dangerous.

#6 La Grave - can be dangerous if you dont know what you are doing and where you are going

 

As others have noted, WROD is just as dangerous and there are many places across the world that are no fall zones, i.e. if you fall you can die - that would be dangerous in my book.

Wonder if whoever wrote this list ever skied all these places.

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