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Rossingol E83 Length

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I'm a 5'6" 160lb intermediate/advanced skier currently skiing a 162 Rossi Z9.  I ski relatively small mountains in the East and I'm looking at the E83, but I don't have the opportunity to demo so I'm looking for suggestions on which length to go with, 160 or 168. 

 

I'm wanting a length that will be fairly relaxed a slow speeds while skiing with my wife (beginner), but will also hold up when I want to push it.  With the tip and tail rocker I'm afraid the 160 will be too short, but I've never ridden a ski wider that 74mm at the waist so I'm not sure how the wider ski affects the choice of length.  Also, I prefer short and medium radius turns.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 29
Hi, I'm your weight, an inch shorter though, about the same skill level also. I ski'd the 168 E83 last year and loved it! Any size turns, any speed, it is hard snow biased I think though, and maybe a little happier at moderate to fast speed. I don't ski bumps, but I guess it would be ok. I ski'd it for three days at whiteface and once in the corn, almost bought it.
post #3 of 29
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Originally Posted by vwr1vwf View Post

Hi, I'm your weight, an inch shorter though, about the same skill level also. I ski'd the 168 E83 last year and loved it! Any size turns, any speed, it is hard snow biased I think though, and maybe a little happier at moderate to fast speed. I don't ski bumps, but I guess it would be ok. I ski'd it for three days at whiteface and once in the corn, almost bought it.

I can get a smoking deal on a pair of 160's.  Would that be a regrettable decision?

post #4 of 29

they ski short for their size. i would be pointing you towards the 168cm skis. (recomended for 150-170 lbs)

 

the wrong ski at a good price is no bargin...

post #5 of 29
Do you ski mainly groomers?
post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by vwr1vwf View Post

Do you ski mainly groomers?
the reason I ask is, if its a real good deal, and you were really unhappy, it would be pretty easy to sell, even at that size I think. Or, just demo if possible and buy another ski, because you can never have too many skis, just keep overlap to a minimum. " A smoking deal " is a smoking deal, and the 168 is apopular size and pretty expensive with a binding. Also you said you prefer short to medium turns. I have a 160 elan speed wave for ice, and its fine for small to med turns at my size and level.
post #7 of 29
I have the experience 88's. They do well on hard snow as long as it's not ice. By ice I mean the stuff you can ice skate on or the spill from a snow gun for example. I've been cruising them out west this week - very hard pack conditions - and they are stable at the speeds I've been skiing (45-50mph at times) and as a deep carver. To me, they ski like a 15m ski in carving but are stable at speed.

If you ski any powder, and 40% is a fairly significant percentage, then you want to go wider so of your choice, I'd step up to the E88 over the E83.

These skis should not be skied short! I was warned about that when I bought these and I (fortunately) took the advice of my shop. I'm skiing on my front side skis which are Nordica Spitfire Pros in a 170cm at 14m radius. These are very aggressive skis and I push then hard - I'm 220 on top of them. My shop put me on the 186cm E88's and that was a good choice. Shorter would have been tricky. Because of the early rise tip and tail, they initiate quickly and smoothly. Not as fast as the Nordicas but you'd have to be level 8 or 9 to really notice the difference and really into tight radius high energy turns. The point is this though - the early rise gets you into the turn easily and fast where you can put the length of the ski and the longer edge to work. I think if you got them too short, you'd find them not holding as well on hard pack and they could be snaky.

I'm on these with a stiff (130 flex) race boot and they respond well. My skiing style is aggressive - I'm a patroller and my kids race so we push the stuff hard and we're into carving on groomers and powder.

These things are beautiful in fresh snow - they float easily and they turn effortlessly. Really fun. In soft groomers, they can really crank out a carved turn and will turn tighter than you probably can. On hard, they're great as noted above. On ice - get something else. They are not a mogul ski if you bought them the right length (too long). On chopped up crud, they are terrific - like driving a cadillac and it's one of the places they really shine.

But don't buy them short!

J.


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post #8 of 29
There are some shop owners here on Epic that sell rossi, maybe someone has a demo setup, or can come close to your deal on the 160cm. You will be limited terrain wise and speed wise with the 160 E83. I really enjoyed the 168 for mostly frontside and cruising with the family, but already had that category filled.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by vwr1vwf View Post

There are some shop owners here on Epic that sell rossi, maybe someone has a demo setup, or can come close to your deal on the 160cm. You will be limited terrain wise and speed wise with the 160 E83. I really enjoyed the 168 for mostly frontside and cruising with the family, but already had that category filled.

Thanks for the info....sounds like the 168 will be the proper length.  I'm going to do some research to see if I can find this ski for demo within a reasonable distance and go from there.  I think that will be the safest bet.

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

they ski short for their size. i would be pointing you towards the 168cm skis. (recomended for 150-170 lbs)

 

Does anyone know if the same would apply to the Atomic Nomad Blackeye Ti?  That is another ski I am looking at.

post #11 of 29

Still looking for E83 ski?  I have a 2013 pair with Look PX12 bindings (w/ Coreupt logo), 168 length, used 4 days last week.  They are in great shape--couple of topsheet and base scuffs, no chips.  I'm looking to potentially sell and purchase E88s.  

post #12 of 29

Hello everybody, sorry to start the topic after 2 months of "not-posting" but I would really like to get some information about Rossi E83.

 

Im about 177cm tall and my weight is 73kg (till the next season I will rather lose 1-2kg than put some). Currently I have  Rossi X-Fight 3 154cm (Yes, I know its too short). I am interested in buying a good all mountain ski. I was mostly looking at Rossi E83 and E88. I prefer medium turns, sometimes I go short. I do long turns rather rarely. I guess Im and advanced skier - I carve really well, I adapt technique to the conditions etc, I would like to go to the expert but dont really know when. ;) But lets assume Im advanced. In terms of boots - I have Atomic Hawx 90 so I guess they're all right.

 

I generally ski on groomers but with a ski like E83/88 I would surely go for some not-very-high powder, more crud, some bumps, moguls. Simply - everything. 

 

And there is the question - what would you suggest me? Rossi E83 or E88? From what I've heard and read, E88 are rather for advanced to expert skiers and E83 more for the intermediate/advanced - is that true? According to this - I should go for the E88's. But from what I've read on this forum, E83's are a bit better for shorter turns...

 

And one more thing - I've found out that E88's are stiffer and heavier. First of all - is it actually true? If yes - wouldn't it be too much (I mean - too stiff, too heavy) for me?

 

I will be enormously thankful for the respond. Thanks in advance. ;) 

 

PS. Im from Poland so sorry if you didn't understand me well but I guess my english is not so bad.

post #13 of 29
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Originally Posted by Maxter37 View Post

Hello everybody, sorry to start the topic after 2 months of "not-posting" but I would really like to get some information about Rossi E83.

 

Im about 177cm tall and my weight is 73kg (till the next season I will rather lose 1-2kg than put some). Currently I have  Rossi X-Fight 3 154cm (Yes, I know its too short). I am interested in buying a good all mountain ski. I was mostly looking at Rossi E83 and E88. I prefer medium turns, sometimes I go short. I do long turns rather rarely. I guess Im and advanced skier - I carve really well, I adapt technique to the conditions etc, I would like to go to the expert but dont really know when. ;) But lets assume Im advanced. In terms of boots - I have Atomic Hawx 90 so I guess they're all right.

 

I generally ski on groomers but with a ski like E83/88 I would surely go for some not-very-high powder, more crud, some bumps, moguls. Simply - everything. 

 

And there is the question - what would you suggest me? Rossi E83 or E88? From what I've heard and read, E88 are rather for advanced to expert skiers and E83 more for the intermediate/advanced - is that true? According to this - I should go for the E88's. But from what I've read on this forum, E83's are a bit better for shorter turns...

 

And one more thing - I've found out that E88's are stiffer and heavier. First of all - is it actually true? If yes - wouldn't it be too much (I mean - too stiff, too heavy) for me?

 

I will be enormously thankful for the respond. Thanks in advance. ;) 

 

PS. Im from Poland so sorry if you didn't understand me well but I guess my english is not so bad.

 

First off the E83 is not a lessor ski than the E88. The E83 in a 168cm (based on your weight) would be a great short turn groomer ski with some fresh snow thrown in for good measure. They work well in the crud and bumps. This ski has been my go to ski this season in New England. Very versatile, playful and has good energy.

post #14 of 29

yak sie masz Maxter37,

 

My impression of the two skis was that the E88 is noticably stiffer.I liked the E83 alot better and thought it to be a very versitile all mountain ski focused more on piste, but also capable off trail and in spring conditions. The 83 was more playful and ofcourse quicker edge to edge, it loved to carve any size or shape and did not give up any stability to the 88.. I did not ski it in fresh snow, but I did the 88 in 10" of dense new snow and thought it to be stiff for my weight and technique, though it did not dive.I would be curious about the 83's softer flex.

 

For comparison I am 165cm  x 70kg, I skied the 83 in 168 and the 88 in 162, I want to try the 88 in 170cm. In my opinion you could make the jump to the 176cm E83 because it is not overly stiff and is very easy to turn.

 

p.s. your english is excellent !,  much better than my mother in laws...lol

 

dovidziena

Rich

post #15 of 29

Rossi Smash - so I see you rather suggest taking the E83 at 168cm? Well, I thought AM skis especially with rocker should be closer to my height... Wouldnt it be better to take the E83 176cm? I guess my weight would handle it, dont you think so?

 

vwr1vwf - Nice polish! ;) Thanks for the advices. After wondering some time I'm rather closer to buying E83 176cm... I guess it will cope with few inches of powder (Im rather not going to ski in deeper amounts of that stuff) and on the groomers its gonna be ok... And thanks for praising my english and I really hope you get on well with your mother in law ;))

 

Thanks for the info, really helped me! But it would be nice of you to answer those questions above too.... :)

post #16 of 29

Dzien dobry Maxter,

 

Rossi Smash has most likely forgotten more knowledge about skiing and skis then I will ever acquire, in other words he is much more qualified to advise on sizing for this ski, especially because he owns it,  and I do not. Having said that, in my opinion what makes this ski interesting is that it has a snub nose design which extends the sidecut, making it a tad longer. Also, I do not totally agree with the rule that rockered or skis with early rise should be skied in the next size up. I think it depends on that particular ski design (amount of early rise etc.) and largely on the type of skiing you prefer.

 

I prefer more medium to large moderately to fast turns on piste, but also adjust my turns and skiing to the conditions and terrain, that is why I enjoyed the 168cm 83. It was surprisingly smooth and stable, yet could be skied fairly easy. In my opinion the rule that if between sizes the longer size in a particular ski would be better for larger turn, faster more stable skiing. For shorter turns, tighter places (trees/bumps) and a more responsive ski in general I would select the shorter size in that particular ski. So all that said, based on your criteria above Rossi Smash I think is correct in his advice on the 168cm 83. I think you may possibly enjoy both, and would not regret the 176, because I am not aggressive and had no problem turning the ski.

 

Ofcourse it is always best to demo before buying, if possible, although this ski was enjoyed by almost everyone that has reviewed it.

 

As long as my mother in law keeps cooking for me, I will love her like my own..!...lol. She has also got my children speaking Polish almost fluently, which I am envious of, because I have been trying for 30 years. 

 

Rich C.  

post #17 of 29

Thanks for the response. It really explains a lot - unlike on some polish forums when I get some laconic replies or dont get them at all... Well, nevermind.

 

Well, with my X-fight 3 154cm, R=13m I know something about short turns and not so much about stability ;) As I said - I pay attention at versatility so I guess the longer one will be more perspective - I mean - when I get better at technics it will be more appropriate. And to tell you the truth - I can get the 176cm version at quite a good price so thats also the argument - I must admit it.

And I hope my technique allows (or will allow) me to do nice, short turn with the 176cm version either :)

 

About demoing - I dont think I will have a chance, but when I get one - I will surely demo the ski.

 

Generally thanks for the advices, I really feel now Im closer to buying the proper ski. ;) But of course more opinions will give me a better view at the issue so if anyone has had something to do with Rossi E83 - please let me know - I will appreciate it very much ;)

 

PS Keep on learning polish, you already know some basic words :D

post #18 of 29

Maxter37,

 

I'm 30 pounds heavier than you and I ski the E83 in the 176cm size.

As was said above, with your preference for short turns and bumps, at your weight I think the 168cm would serve you best.

Always remember that the wrong ski at a good price is no bargain!

 

Best of luck to you and the rest of your season!

post #19 of 29

Ok... And how tall are you? I think its also quite relevant. 

 

Well, in case of short turns - I do them but not as often as the medium ones... And what about bumps - I do like them but its not my favorite "type" of skiing :)

 

As I said I was thinking that when I really think of improving my technique, wouldnt the longer one - 176cm - be better?

 

Thanks but actually - my season is already finished :) Cant wait to the next one though! ;))

post #20 of 29

Hello again everybody, Im coming with another ski, hoping you can give some information about it...

 

So, just after I "finally" chose the E83, somebody told me to look at the Rossi S3 skis. 98mm underfoot so its "sounds" quite wide, supposedly - very versatile, quite good edge grip... Well, that's what I've heard. What do you think about it? Is it worth paying attention? You think I can go for or is it better to stick to the E83?

post #21 of 29

S3 for your above stated purpose?

 

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You're over thinking this and at this rate you will continue throughout the off season. Hint, you're headed in the wrong direction with a 98mm powder oriented rockered ski for your use.

post #22 of 29

Okay, so seems like everything's clear. ;) Thanks for the advice. I will then stick to the E83 (probably 176cm after considering the future usage of it...)

post #23 of 29

Hello guys, can anybody please explain the difference between these two versions of E83?

 

http://www.rossignol.com/PL/PL/experience-83-tpx_RACEJ01_product_alpine-men-skis-all-mountain-on-snow.html

http://www.rossignol.com/PL/PL/experience-83-tpx_RACEJ05_product_alpine-men-skis-all-mountain-on-snow.html

 

Is it all about the graphic design or is there anything else? I see that the "RACEJ01" also has the version 144cm... Maybe its something about the stiffness?

post #24 of 29

I'd steer you towards this version (flat, no factory mounted hostage (system) binding)

http://www.rossignol.com/PL/PL/experience-83_RACEJ02_product_alpine-men-skis-all-mountain-on-snow.html

 

You can then put the binding of your choice on the ski instead of the system binding on the other two versions.

 

btw....I love the E83. It was one of my "go to" skis last season in the Northeast.

post #25 of 29

Thanks for the advice, I'll consider it :) I'm not really deep into the binding topic, but If the situation requires such knowledge - I'll surely get oriented in the bindings stuff. But if we're already talking about this, which bindings would you recommend to me?

 

But I still don't know the difference between those 2 - is it only about the graphic design? 

 

And well, I dont know yet if I can afford the 2014 model... Maybe I will focus on the 2013 one... Time will tell. ;) Anyways, it would be nice to know the difference between those 2 models. :)

post #26 of 29

My 2013 E83's are being delivered tomorrowsmile.gif

 

I got the non binding one's and I'm going to put Head Mojo 12's on them

post #27 of 29

Hello! 

 

Last time I went to the sports shop to see if I can get the Rossi E83's. Unfortunately, they didn't have it but they have Scott skis (quite old, even 3 or 4 years, but those are display models which weren't used). I noticed 2 curious skis:

 

Scott Realm 176cm

Scott Punisher 182cm

 

Well, from what I've got to know so far, Realm is a women ski... (there must be something wrong with me, if I got interested in it :P) Punisher is a really nice looking ski, but from what I've searched about, its more park and freeride ski than an allmountain... Well, I know that the wrong ski in a good price is not a bargain. But I also can't hide that the prices are real good. 

 

What can you say about those skis? Are they worth my interest or should I stick to the conclusions I've already come to (Experience 83 I mean)? I've got feeling that the Punisher would be a lot of fun... 

post #28 of 29

Maxter37,

You bring up a good point.

The consideration of the "correct" ski length FOR YOU !

 

First do not believe those figures printed on the skis. Knowledgeable skiers know that ski companies tend to be "elastic" on the ski length value. What is + or - a few cm. to them !

 

Second the type of skiing does determine "correct" ski length. That is where you ski and how you ski.

 

Third, the ski "configuration" does have an impact on its performance. As many persons , more knowledgeable than me have pointed out those "rocker" skis are different.

 

You must do your homework to find your needs. No expert on net will give you correct answer. Try some models and lengths.

 

 Feel the difference.

 

I know that ski well,,,what I do not know is how you ski, where you ski and how well you and the ski "together".

Let me give you an example.

 

I have often seen skiers buy a "shorter" ski ( for carious reasons, price, deals, easier skiing...) then if you observe them, they think they are skiing better but in fact are forcing the skis to turn with upper body rotation. Short skis are easier to force into a turn. They seem to ski better......

 

In conclusion, you must find that correct length for your needs, based on your competency levelé

post #29 of 29

Hey, thanks for the reply.

 

Let me answer the questions you asked. 

 

I like skiing in all conditions - groomers, crud, bumps, moguls... Would like to try some not very deep powder too. Its quite hard for me to rate my level... I guess Im advanced - I carve well, I control me pace, adapt the technique to the conditions - skidding is also fun when its necessary. I've been skiing for 10 years so far. Unfortunately, I've had only 4 pairs of skis so Im not very experienced in buying them... ;)

 

I think I've already done my homework - I've searched a lot about the skis, got to know a lot of different points of view... I know that the final decision will be mine, but before making it - I'd really like to know as many opinions as possible.

 

Unfortunately, I live in Poland and... don't have many opportunities to demo the skis. :/ I know that trying the models would be the best idea, but unfortunately I dont have such a possibility...

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