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STH12 driver v Look 14 pivot

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Just ordered my new MX83 in 163. Now have binding question. Typical Din for me is 5.5-6. I like the function of the pivot of the look 14s but I think my Din setting is too low end for them. Thinking the sth 12 driver is a better fit for din. Thoughts?
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Also, 5'7", 150 lb, bsl 305 and because of prior knee issues from other sports, typically keep to type Ii, but skill level would put me at at type III.
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The Pivot 14 would work fine for you, you are in the adjustment range. Low in the range, but so what. I'd probably look at a binding with a bit more stack height, well a binding and light plastic plate like a Tyrolia PowerPro Plate 9 and a Freeflex 14, but that's just how I would want the MX83 set up, more of a front side ripper that can handle a little bit of everything but is primarily a groomer ripper/ bumps on a firm day ski than a real 'all-mountain' freeski.

 

I really like the Pivot/FKS binding, I own a bunch of them, but it wouldn't be my choice if knee safety was my first priority and there isn't anything magic (or special at all) about the heel. They are loved for their ability to absorb impact without releasing... meaning they are loved because they do not release until twisted off the boot. Not the healthiest thing for the knee. In all honesty, they are loved because they convey a certain disregard for personal safety... which makes you look cool in the liftline.

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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

The Pivot 14 would work fine for you, you are in the adjustment range. Low in the range, but so what. I'd probably look at a binding with a bit more stack height, well a binding and light plastic plate like a Tyrolia PowerPro Plate 9 and a Freeflex 14, but that's just how I would want the MX83 set up, more of a front side ripper that can handle a little bit of everything but is primarily a groomer ripper/ bumps on a firm day ski than a real 'all-mountain' freeski.

 

I really like the Pivot/FKS binding, I own a bunch of them, but it wouldn't be my choice if knee safety was my first priority and there isn't anything magic (or special at all) about the heel. They are loved for their ability to absorb impact without releasing... meaning they are loved because they do not release until twisted off the boot. Not the healthiest thing for the knee. In all honesty, they are loved because they convey a certain disregard for personal safety... which makes you look cool in the liftline.

 

The "magic" in the heel design is a short mount distance which produces a lower swing weight and lighter feel. MY only concern with  the Pivot14 on the MX83 would be the brake width, the 95mm brake could create some drag. But, yes the Tyrolia set up that WR mentioned would be real nice on that ski. 

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Can't go wrong w/ the STH12 Driver either.  A wee bit higher stand height without being really high.  A wee bit more ramp angle w/out really being raked forward.  The binding supports a very comfortable stance.  Lighter in weight than most (comparable to Pivots).  Very nicely finished.  As Phil touched on, the STH 90mm brake width would be a better fit.  And there's no beating the Driver toe for reliability and retention.  My normal DIN is 8 and I ski the Driver toes @ 7 w/ no concern about pre-release.

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The "magic" in the heel design is a short mount distance which produces a lower swing weight and lighter feel. MY only concern with  the Pivot14 on the MX83 would be the brake width, the 95mm brake could create some drag. But, yes the Tyrolia set up that WR mentioned would be real nice on that ski. 

Phil, Not sure what you mean specifcally by drag? Don't the brakes fold up and in? The STH brakes are 90 mm and the pivots are 95mm. Will 5 mm make that much difference?
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Phil, Not sure what you mean specifcally by drag? Don't the brakes fold up and in? The STH brakes are 90 mm and the pivots are 95mm. Will 5 mm make that much difference?

The brakes DO fold in...just NOT enough for a 83mm ski. 90mm is ONE of the brakes offered for the Sth, there is also an 80mm brake that would work better, especially on a high edge angle, where these skis are at home. 

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Got it. Thanks Phil!
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The brakes DO fold in...just NOT enough for a 83mm ski. 90mm is ONE of the brakes offered for the Sth, there is also an 80mm brake that would work better, especially on a high edge angle, where these skis are at home. 

Wouldn't the 80 mm brake be too narrow for the 83mm waist ?
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