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post #121 of 143
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Hi
I'm an 46 year old advance skier who skis aggressive and likes powdery steeps. I try to stay away from most bumps. I probably ski double diamonds 60-70% of the time. I'm hoping my painful tendinitis/tennis elbow will go away without needing surgery. I stopped surfing and kiteboarding to give it a chance to heal. I thought my elbow would be unaffected skiing but I was wrong. I didn't fall and don't remember any hard pole plants but at the end of the day my elbow was hurting more than ever (interesting enough it didn't hurt while I was skiing- thank you! ). I have a few ski trips planned to Whistler and Mammoth and am debating whether to try to ski without poles at all or maybe shorten my telescopic poles so I don't ever pole plant but let the shortened poles assist me with the rythmic swing motion I'm used to. I'd appreciate any feedback from seasoned instructors on the best option for steeps.
Thank tou!

I use adjustable poles. On groomers they're short enough that they don't touch and I notice no problems--on hard snow and at speed I think tapping the poles to snow interferes rather than helps. I can't advise re bumps and steeps as I do rely on the poles for that. I have had tennis elbow from poling too aggressivley and was forced to learn a lighter touch. I assume you use a forearm band for your elbow. During one particularly snowy season I got tennis elbow in both arms from shoveling and the bands got me through the season, as stopping shoveling was not an option.

post #122 of 143
First what poles are you using? If you're using a composite or cf pole the nature of that pole material will provide some shock absorbsion compared to a solid aluminum pole.
post #123 of 143
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Some of us ski without poles in the early season because it perfects our balance. If you can rip a zipper line with no poles, you feel like Superman when you get them back. I personally ski with no poles for the first 2-3 weeks of the season for this reason. AND I'll do another week of it mid-season if I feel my balance is off. Let's me get my technique dialed so I'm not reliant on poles to turn.

 

This is also why you should get never-ever's to learn to turn without the poles. And new skiers that need poles to move along traverses and stop in lift lines, are delaying the skill building of skating and using edges in a braking wedge. IOW, you learn a LOT faster without poles than with them.

 

And for those of you that think the better you are the more you need them, you have it backward. You can tell a great skier by taking his poles away, and he/she will ski exactly the same. The flounders fall apart completely, because their base is built on quicksand.


If I used my poles again I would kill myself.  New edit coming in the future.  Maybe I can get a short bump section in that one.  Can do but super long wears me out.

post #124 of 143

I see it every day I go to my home mountain.  Most of the adults I see sans-poles are very good (though I tend to frequent more advanced areas).  I try to do a groomer every now and then without them.  I feel less stable without them, so I figure practicing without them is helping me improve my stability all around.  Plus I get the bonus of seeing how people react when my boarder companion sports my poles :)  I wouldn't leave them behind on challenging terrain though.

post #125 of 143

also, a lot of people skiing with poles have the poles too long. This throws you into the back seat. You'll be a lot better off 1-2" shorter than your elbow parallel than being parallel the way most ski shops set you up, IMO. This forces you forward and you'll be in a much better balanced position for what the mtn throws at you.

post #126 of 143
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Originally Posted by SoccerNMTB View Post
 

also, a lot of people skiing with poles have the poles too long. This throws you into the back seat. You'll be a lot better off 1-2" shorter than your elbow parallel than being parallel the way most ski shops set you up, IMO. This forces you forward and you'll be in a much better balanced position for what the mtn throws at you.


Ha ha!  Just loose the poles.  I think I posted this photo prior, but I do it all without and enjoy it fine.

I am below in this photo.  Yes, it gets way steeper before this photo and before you get down further.  Backside Mt. Bachelor.

post #127 of 143

My Lovely.  She is 57 here I believe.  Good thing she won't see I said that!  You know how women are about age. 
 

post #128 of 143
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Originally Posted by SoccerNMTB View Post
 

also, a lot of people skiing with poles have the poles too long. This throws you into the back seat. You'll be a lot better off 1-2" shorter than your elbow parallel than being parallel the way most ski shops set you up, IMO. This forces you forward and you'll be in a much better balanced position for what the mtn throws at you.


Yep, I figured that out about 1999. An Instructor at Sunday River, I think his name was Rocky, he got me to go shorter.

post #129 of 143

My favorite topic has me thinking of ways to get the body downhill and shins on the boot tongue.

 

I'm pretty notorious skiing under the chair, I aim for a perfect spiral in all conditions.  Now a buddy of mine wants to ski sans poles too.

 

We hit the "easy" diamond chair for some fall line focus.  She was game, launching the cornice and attempting to smear her way around, she was reluctant to let go of her edges on the steeper stuff.  But she was adept at keeping on her feet and then I remembered Roy Rogers.  Two six shooters pow pow, shooting at the bottom keeps the body downhill and the skis awake.  

 

Why bother with pole plants when you can pretend to use a revolver?

 

My buddy is 72 BTW.

post #130 of 143
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My favorite topic has me thinking of ways to get the body downhill and shins on the boot tongue.

 

I'm pretty notorious skiing under the chair, I aim for a perfect spiral in all conditions.  Now a buddy of mine wants to ski sans poles too.

 

We hit the "easy" diamond chair for some fall line focus.  She was game, launching the cornice and attempting to smear her way around, she was reluctant to let go of her edges on the steeper stuff.  But she was adept at keeping on her feet and then I remembered Roy Rogers.  Two six shooters pow pow, shooting at the bottom keeps the body downhill and the skis awake.  

 

Why bother with pole plants when you can pretend to use a revolver?

 

My buddy is 72 BTW.


Oh yea!  I'll go for that!  I call it the gorilla stance.  Ski like an ape!

post #131 of 143
That's too wide.
post #132 of 143
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That's too wide.


I can't help myself.  I'm an ape man!

Ape man getting dizzy.  Look it is like an apeman!  Look at the comments and views here.  Newschoolers is a tough crowd let alone for an "old " guy!
http://www.newschoolers.com/videos/watch/816182/55-Yr--Old-Dominator-Jacques-Staying-Young---Getting-Dizzy-Feb--2016
 

post #133 of 143
It limits your ability to ski different terrain and conditions apeman.
post #134 of 143
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It limits your ability to ski different terrain and conditions apeman.


IDK, I'm getting better at it all the time.  Powder and tree lines today with Simon Elston.  That guy kills it!  I guess I have you and OAS to blame!

post #135 of 143
I know but now its time to step up to your next big adventure.
post #136 of 143
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I know but now its time to step up to your next big adventure.


I'm locked in at Bachelor so I don't know how that's going to happen. 

post #137 of 143
Its not where you ski its how you ski. Some of the best skiers in the world came from a mom & pop bump. Strive to change and improve. You know you want to.
post #138 of 143
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Its not where you ski its how you ski. Some of the best skiers in the world came from a mom & pop bump. Strive to change and improve. You know you want to.


I'm always working at it.  I just can't see myself ever going back to using poles.

post #139 of 143
Forget the poles,narrow the stance.
post #140 of 143
You can't fix Jaques because Jaques doesn't need fixing.
post #141 of 143
There's nothing to fix. He knows why I take an interest in him. Only to avoid injuries.
post #142 of 143

Just in case anybody missed it, this is Jacques doing some cool stuff!

post #143 of 143
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Originally Posted by slider View Post

Forget the poles,narrow the stance.

 

 

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Originally Posted by MrGolfAnalogy View Post

You can't fix Jaques because Jaques doesn't need fixing.

 

 

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There's nothing to fix. He knows why I take an interest in him. Only to avoid injuries.


 Both of you guys are good in my "Book".   Slider is the only person who gave me any hints that ever really helped me.  Other than that, never a lesson so I have learned slow.

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