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does anyone in the ski industry make any money?

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ie does anyone besides the super director of marketing/sales for big name manufacturers make money? 50k a year?
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yes. Last year the American Ski Industry sold about $2.5 billion worth of product... a couple people made some money. Sounds great, right?

 

By comparison, Americans spent as much, 2.5 billion, on skateboards.

fishing gear sold about $6 billion.

The bicycle industry is about $6 billion.

The pet industry is about $50 billion a year.

The consumer electronics market is close to $290 billion.

 

The ski industry- seasonal, weather dependent, location specific and not at all 'essential'. 

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 50k a year?

 

Bartenders, plus they get to ski more.

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ie does anyone besides the super director of marketing/sales for big name manufacturers make money? 50k a year?

 

 

Are you looking for a job in the ski industry, or a job that allows you to ski? Jobs that get you on the snow that you get to freely ski (rather than spending all day in ski boots teaching 4 year olds while everybody else grabs first tracks) tend to pay dick.

 

Even "pro" skiers that aren't at the top level where skis and such are named after them tend to make very little- sponsors keep them in gear and keep them on the slopes, but they don't keep them rolling in dough.

 

If you are asking about how to make $50k a year in a ski town, that really depends on what you define as a ski town.

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Yes without getting into details I do make that much as an HR Director/ Risk Manager. GMs generally make more. According to the published average GMs make 100 k plus.

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 Don't forget all the ancillary fields related to a major ski resort.  I am sure some ski shop owners barely put food on the table (many ski shops around here have closed), while some others do so well they want CPAs far away from their home town so there is no chance anyone knows how much they make.  There are restaurant owners, chiropractors, snow plow operators (who have other businesses), diesel garage owners, food service distributors, real estate salespeople (who can earn $50,000 in commissions on a single sale at a luxury resort), locksmiths (I once met a guy in a bar at a major resort who was making $100k+ helping tourists who were locked out of their cars), commercial laundry people, heads of food service and/or top chefs at a handful of bigger resorts ($100k+), airport shuttle service owners, etc. all making money.  At smaller resorts?  Very few people are in the money.  What matters most to employees is obviously job security, a great work environment, and medical benefits.  The medical benefits alone can be easily worth $20 grand per year (compared to out of pocket expenses), something that many employees forget.

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I know management at the property management company I worked for in Steamboat made anywhere from $45K to $90K, depending upon level. The very head general manager probably earned in the six figures.

 

As others have alluded to, it all depends on what you define as the "ski industry" and where. If you really want an answer, you'll need to be specific about what type of work.

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Outside of managers/business owners etc I'd wager the top tier of instructors would be making around 50k, you'd have to work pretty hard, but I bet there's quite a few doing it. 

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I spent a bit on new skis this year - but they should last a few years. I spent a fair amount in the restraunts and bars. I spent more on groceries. I spent a lot at the hardware stores keeping the ski houses going. Squaw got a bunch of my money in passes - and then some more on expensive lift tickets for the extras.

 

I do make a bit of money on rents there - but not the big bucks or a great rate of return. Certainly not enough to live on. Plus fixing the frozen pipes today wasn't fun - and I didn't get to ski on my last day of this trip.

 

But the biggest single expense for me is the property tax billing on the ski houses. I guess the government is the one making money off of skiing.

 

Eric

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Outside of managers/business owners etc I'd wager the top tier of instructors would be making around 50k, you'd have to work pretty hard, but I bet there's quite a few doing it. 


I doubt many instructors make $50K.  Maybe the PSIA National Demo team does.  I have a friend who is a ski school trainer at a major Colorado resort and he told me makes "big bucks".  That meant $30k to him.

The best job in a ski town is real estate agent.  The best job for a slacker is bartender. 

 

BK

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Orthopedic surgeons...
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50k a year?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!
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I doubt many instructors make $50K.  Maybe the PSIA National Demo team does.  I have a friend who is a ski school trainer at a major Colorado resort and he told me makes "big bucks".  That meant $30k to him.

The best job in a ski town is real estate agent.  The best job for a slacker is bartender. 

 

BK

 

 

$30k for 5-6 month's work, so $60k annual. Not too bad. I know some that do better than that. Tips from privates add up. But you definitely have to be on the top of the game.

 

The key is building your own clientele. Work it like it's your own business. If you get at least 70-80% private requests you can do pretty well. Especially of you get some full day privates each week as well. There is a huge difference in pay between groups at line up and request privates. Maybe do some camps, train new hires and do some clinics to add some additional income.

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 Don't forget all the ancillary fields related to a major ski resort.  I am sure some ski shop owners barely put food on the table (many ski shops around here have closed), while some others do so well they want CPAs far away from their home town so there is no chance anyone knows how much they make.  There are restaurant owners, chiropractors, snow plow operators (who have other businesses), diesel garage owners, food service distributors, real estate salespeople (who can earn $50,000 in commissions on a single sale at a luxury resort), locksmiths (I once met a guy in a bar at a major resort who was making $100k+ helping tourists who were locked out of their cars), commercial laundry people, heads of food service and/or top chefs at a handful of bigger resorts ($100k+), airport shuttle service owners, etc. all making money.  At smaller resorts?  Very few people are in the money.  What matters most to employees is obviously job security, a great work environment, and medical benefits.  The medical benefits alone can be easily worth $20 grand per year (compared to out of pocket expenses), something that many employees forget.

 

 

And most of those people working and running businesses in ski towns don't have much time to ski. Just like us people working in non ski towns. Working really cuts into valuable ski time!

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 50k a year?

 

Fifty thou a year'll buy a lotta beer.

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I doubt many instructors make $50K.  Maybe the PSIA National Demo team does.  I have a friend who is a ski school trainer at a major Colorado resort and he told me makes "big bucks".  That meant $30k to him.

The best job in a ski town is real estate agent.  The best job for a slacker is bartender. 

 

BK

 

I didn't say a lot did, factor in a southern hemi season on your friends pay and he's about there as well. Not sure the Demo team are the guys making the most, it's more likely to be the people that have a lot of big tipping return clients. 

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And most of those people working and running businesses in ski towns don't have much time to ski. Just like us people working in non ski towns. Working really cuts into valuable ski time!

You are correct and it is a violation of first amendment skiers rights however I do get to ski more than friends of mine that are bankers.

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Yes without getting into details I do make that much as an HR Director/ Risk Manager. GMs generally make more. According to the published average GMs make 100 k plus.


I know a GM of a ski resort land council for $150K + 10% goes into a superanuation retirement fund + a house built for $1m in the early 80s + 4wd + 4 weeks annual leave + ski passes + skidoo + perk trips to look at o/seas ski resorts. The asistant gm was on $120k + those perks. Another, for a 120 bed motel/restaurant was on a package worth around $120k. Sale Mgr for the local council is $85k + lots of domestic  and o/seas travel. A lease manager (renewals and making sure placs upgrade to meet govt standards) was advertised recently at$65/70k.

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I know a GM of a ski resort land council for $150K + 10% goes into a superanuation retirement fund + a house built for $1m in the early 80s + 4wd + 4 weeks annual leave + ski passes + skidoo + perk trips to look at o/seas ski resorts. The asistant gm was on $120k + those perks. Another, for a 120 bed motel/restaurant was on a package worth around $120k. Sale Mgr for the local council is $85k + lots of domestic  and o/seas travel. A lease manager (renewals and making sure placs upgrade to meet govt standards) was advertised recently at$65/70k.

I took my figures out of the NSAA wage survey. The averages are skewed by the type of area and what they are. Some ski resorts focus on land development as opposed to skiing. 

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The GM's of some ski corps don't even ski, ie. VR.  But he's compensated with $3mil. 

 

 

I don't think it would be worth it!

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ie does anyone besides the super director of marketing/sales for big name manufacturers make money? 50k a year?

 

To actually answer your question; no, they don't. Instructors don't make $50K a year (and even if they did considering you would have to be bilingual and work in both NA & SA would it really be worth it?), the department heads (marketing, finance, HR, etc.) of major ski areas do make that but they are generally expected to work 9-5 (or more) like the rest of us, of course there are considerations for powder days, maybe, unless your boss is skiing so you're screwed. There are lots of jobs around the ski industry that make $50K+ but they are just that; jobs, and they come with the requisite 40+ hr 9-5 work weeks with bosses that don't give a shit whether it's a powder day or not.

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... considering you would have to be bilingual ...

 

I imagine it wouldn't take all that long to learn New Zealandish or 'Strine'.

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To actually answer your question; no, they don't. Instructors don't make $50K a year (and even if they did considering you would have to be bilingual and work in both NA & SA would it really be worth it?), the department heads (marketing, finance, HR, etc.) of major ski areas do make that but they are generally expected to work 9-5 (or more) like the rest of us, of course there are considerations for powder days, maybe, unless your boss is skiing so you're screwed. There are lots of jobs around the ski industry that make $50K+ but they are just that; jobs, and they come with the requisite 40+ hr 9-5 work weeks with bosses that don't give a shit whether it's a powder day or not.

 

I don't earn near 50k, but I am certain that I know people that do, and yes, back to back seasons in SA are very much worth it, not really a chore. 

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I imagine it wouldn't take all that long to learn New Zealandish or 'Strine'.

This too, pay in NZ is pretty mediocre, Aus can be good though. 

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