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Pocket Rocket and Scream Pilot 10

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Conditions - Soft Groomers, day old powder and cut up crud.

Sollie Pocket Rocket
Size 185-cm
Little sketchy on the groomed, must be the 90-mm waist. Wonderful in the crud and powder. Floats like a 193 XXX, but much easier to toss around. It is a true twin, with a very flared tail. It is much stiffer than the AK Rocket. It will replace the AK, as well as the Super Mountain.

Scream Pilot 10
Size 186-cm
I didn't ski them properly. Go ask someone who has.<FONT size="1">

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post #2 of 30
Sorry Bandit Man I don't agree. I think they "fixed" the pilot by adding the wood core. I skied ice and hard pack with them and they held very well. They also handled the deeper snow and cut-up stuff very well. However, I skied the Cross Max 10 and fell in love with this ski. We were looking for ice with this baby. Very quick turning and incredible edge hold. This is going to be my next ski. Caveat, not the ski you want for the back country, the tail is too stiff.
post #3 of 30
I agree with you on the Crossmax. Sweet skis.
Did you get a chance to ski the Pocket Rocket in soft? I only skied it on packed powder where it was not in it's element.
Can we look forward to a comprehensive write-up on your Pilot 10 experience?
No pressure, of course.
post #4 of 30
Thread Starter 

What size of Pilot were you on? I must admit that I feel a bit odd that most of my friends under 30, myself included, just couldn't get behind the Pilot. I was really looking for it to be "the next innovation" in skiing, however, it felt so weak. I prefer the X-Scream Series much more. One note, when I said noodle, I meant that it was chattery at speed. It's high-end handling is very poor. If I skied bumps and short turns were my thing, I might have liked this ski more. I like a G31 or 10.20 much better. I think that the Pilot is much less of a powerful ski than these two. Anyhow, I hope you see that the Pilot might be improved, but it still isn't the ski for me. Then again, even the rep called it a "Doctor/Lawyer Ski". I wonder what he meant by that?!
post #5 of 30
Bandit Man, I was skiing the 192cm Pilot 10 and the 190cm Crossmax 10. I skied the first two models of the Pilot and did not like the 1st (green) one. The second (orange/copper colored), Pilot I liked, but didn't feel it had enough edge grip under-foot. Saturday I skied the latest edition Pilot 10 and feel they fixed the issues I had with it. I looked for patches of ice and hard snow and felt the ski held very well. I believe what the rep. meant when he said doctor/lawyer is that the ski is forgiving, very easy to turn, won't bite back, and I'm not going there about the cost of the ski/binding system. Besides I know quite a few lawyers than can really rip on anything. My skiing bud, who brought the demos up, is a very powerful, high speed skier. He also felt the Pilot was much improved, but it is a fairly damp feeling ski and may not appeal to everyone. The Crossmax 10 Pilot was a ski that after just a few runs started talking to my wallet. Incredible edge grip, very smooth and stable, with a lot of pop out of the tail. You don't want to get back on these skis. Even with a stiff tail the Crossmax worked well in all the conditions we tried, packed, bumps, and cut-up snow.
I still like the X-Scream Series a lot, but I want to add the Crossmax 10 Pilot to my quiver. I would also like to try the Crossmax 9 Pilot.

jd, I didn't get to try the Pocket Rocket yet, but should be able to soon. If you have more specific questions about the Crossmax 10 fire away. We were tucking the Green Valley bowl which was getting pretty skinned off and these skis held like cats when we started to make turns.
post #6 of 30
Bandit Man

Can you give me a little more info on the Pocket Rocket. I haven't heard much about it but it sounds like a nice pair of boards. I am riding on 188 XXX's now but they are going back to rossi at the end of the season. I am thinking about going to a different fat since rossi has so many quality problems. How does the stiffenss and sidecut compair to the XXX's. How do you like them overall. Thanks
post #7 of 30
Thread Starter 
I suppose that all of the folks, ex-racers included that had tried the Pilot that day, must have been skiing it wrong. None of us liked it. I don't care what Salomon does to the Pilot, if it doesn't have metal like a G31, 10.20 or Mod X Pro, then yes, it feels like a noodle to me. How many racers will use the Pilot? None. It wasn't designed for that. I think that it is ludicrous to think that because people don't like a ski, then there must be something wrong with their technique. It is true, that backing off may be needed on the Pilot, but when the speed envelope was pushed, they balked. That's the bottom line. Other great all-mtn. sticks do the same thing for me. However, I find that the 10.20, G31 and Mod X Pro do not. That is why I own two of these. They work for me.
I suppose that one with such poor technique couldn't ever ski any of these boards, so I guess that I must just be along for the ride. Oh, and Gonzo, let me guess...You own either Screams or Pilots, but ski with the "proper" technique, unlike the 99% of us who just blow.
post #8 of 30
I'll chime in with you for fun Gonz because I'm bored.

Now I'm questioning my manhood and my skiing ability (all 30 yrs worth) because I own a pair of noodly Pilot 10 192's

Maybe I didn't really rip all that powder and crud and nail all those bump runs last weekend.

Maybe if I want to be a REALLY good expert skier I should buy some really stiff Atomics ( with metal in them of course) and see how fast I can go on ice and how few turns I can make instead of seeing how fast I can go in powder and seeing how many turns I can make. Oh, better crank the DIN up to 14 also. I guess since I had control of the ski instead of ski having control of me it must not be any good. I guess that since it was a dream to ski on I must not be a good skier.

I have been on my Pilot 192s (the "old" foam core ) for about 10 days in all kinds of conditions except ice and I can't knock em yet. They rip big cruising arcs on groomers (hard or soft), float the pow, bust the crud nail fast fall line turns and I've begun to really be able crank em in the bumps. I will say that it took me (and a friend who has some 186's) a few days out to "get the hang of em". And no I did not pay retail, got a pro deal and I'm not a doctor or a lawyer.
Best ski in the world? no..is there such a thing?
Noodle? That's what I have for lunch.

Who says that a "good" ski is one that kicks your but if your not on it? If anyone wants to hold to that attitude go get an old pair of 225 Vokyls or K2s and try and rip the bumps. If you can't ski em then you must have a great expert ski!

That was fun... back to work now.

post #9 of 30
Gonzo and AK,

Well if you suck then I probably need to return my new Axis X's to K2 and apologize to K2 for actually skiing them in public. I tried to buy the Pro but the saleman at the ski shop found out I was actually a lawyer from yike's Cleveland and would not sell them to me. In fact I had to log 20+ days before they would sell me my Axis X's and I had to pay MSRP and sign an affidavit denying that I bought them at their shop.

Give me a break!

Later<FONT size="1">

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post #10 of 30
"This notion that any ski below the XXX, G41, 10.EX is a "noodle" and is "unpredictable" is nothing but a bunch of egomaniacal garbage. It's sad to see actual adult men trying to build themselves up by tearing down those of us on "lesser skis" at the "lower expert" levels. "

Did I miss something? I can't find anywhere in this post where Matter mentioned the G41, 10 EX, or XXX.

Gonzo - have you tried the Pilot? G31? axis pro? or are you basing your opinions on your X-screams.

Personally I find Matter very informative even if I do not always agree with him.

FYI IMO 99% of people don't use ther trucks 99% of the time. Does that mean they do not need trucks? or my 87 corolla does 80mph just fine, has never washed out of a corner on me, handles everything I throw at it just fine. So everyone who drives anything with more power and stability than my corolla is a poser or an "image" driver. There is your logic.
post #11 of 30
Back on topic here...

Lucky (or anyone),
Have you ever had a chance to ski on 186 or shorter Pilots? foam or wood. Know any one who has? How 'd they compare to the 192s?

post #12 of 30
Might have to change my nick from Matter, that Mr. Ego is kind of catchy.

From now on, skill will be left out of any comment I make about a ski. Only exception to this is when speaking of forgiveness, here the skill of the skier is fundamental.

I dont think you meant to bring on this point, but its a good one nonetheless. Some experts may prefer an easier skiing ski at the expense of some performance. Granted, this is a minority. But its still a good point.

Instead of skier ability, think of my ski tiers as Stability vs. Forgiveness. In general, the lower groups offer more forgiveness, versus the higher group which offers more stability. Only problem is, you get a ski like the K2 Axis Pro which is super stable, but also pretty forgiving. Note to self, grouping skis doesn't work very well.

I really dont have much of an ego. I'm a pretty humble person, you dont hear me on hearing bragging about my skiing abilities. In my opinion, the true ego's on this site can be found in the instruction forum. Good god.... However, I do brag about certain skis! Mainly because I'm excited about them, and want to show others what they're missing out on. Maybe I come on too strong, ah well, you'll get used to it.

BTW, I have a new Dagger Ego (kayak) coming any day now. Could they have named a better kayak for me?
post #13 of 30
Just finished 4 days in a row on my scream 10 pilots (JH). Skied them in off track cut up and somewhat consolidated snow, and then for the the better part of two days skied the fast groomers with three friends, including one male (48) ex JH resident who was off skis for two seasons, one male JH resident on Viper 93's and my girlfriend, (timid, slow, acl replacement skier). Two of us were on 10 pilots (193 &180,&186). My take along with the other pilot skier was: great in off track, and so close to "race speed hold" on smooth soft snow that for either of us if we needed more speed we'd be going too fast, for a recreational area ski patrol. On very hard consolidated snow the pilots are not the greatest in hold. This is our opinion based upon two old fart skiers seperated by 75 lbs sking 193,186,and 180 scream 10 pilots.

After a long day of fast cruising on hard snow I would say there are better skies for that than the pilots. I certainly would be interested in the cross, and the wood core pilots.

I do think that weight and technique have some bearing in these matters, but usually stiffer ends up better in and for most skiers, sking fast on hard snow.

I would also say that calling the ski a noodle, and a doctor/lawyer ski is a subtle or even not so subtle put down.

Prices for pilot 10 are now about $650. This compares well with any other top line ski and binding.

There's my 10 cents worth.
post #14 of 30
alright i'm going to toss my opinion in.

The pilot is a nice ski. genuinely springy and carvy like my old axendo 9's were at a slow speed. They are easy to carve and are quite smooth. Slow speed. Take it up a notch, variable snow, and they handle poorly. plain and simple. I don't drive forward as hard as i should and i rarely overpower the tip of a ski,and i find it even more doubtful that i was overpowering the tip of a 192 pilot, being the beefy 160lbs that i am. I ski from the arch of my foot with enough forward pressure to hold a solid edge and perhaps a little extra to tighten up the arc, but nothing like old slalom technique. i became obsessed with shaped skis; i hopped on the bandwagon that first year with those axendo 9's and the k2 4's... i dont have an old slalom racer 'god i want to rip the cuff of my boot off with pressure' mentality or technnique. I just thought the skis did not perform well at high speed and hi G's. they chatter and flop. vs my 192 powertracs, there was no comparison. the pilots chatter and bounce when u turn it up a notch, while at a slow speed the powertracs feel like crap. That's the difference between a big stiff ski, and a moderate advanced-level ski; stability in the red zone vs ease-of-use and forgiveness at a slow speed.

It's not bragging if it's true - Mohammed Ali

There are two reasons for everything, the good reason and the real reason
-J. Pierpont Morgan

If life was easy everyone would be successful.
post #15 of 30
We skied the 192 wood core Pilot 10s at a good rate of speed and they held fine. Is this the best high speed ski? No, but I don't think that was Salomon's intention. They build race skis for that purpose. I don't believe all mountain skis need to have metal in the constuction to be stable, there are other materials that will do the job. I have been skiing the Crossmax 10 (Pilot System 190cm) and I believe it does not have metal in the construction. This ski rips at high speeds and is very stable. The guy I was skiing with is a former speed skier and he thinks the Crossmax is very solid at high speeds. In my opinion some of the softer skis work better in the back country. I used to ski on X-Scream 9s and found them easier to ski in the back county then the Series but I prefer the Series on hard snow at higher speeds so I went that way. Most of the skis I have demo'd will swim or appear unstable if skied flat at higher speeds. The tune is also very important, many skis do not come flat from the factory. I have said this before, but if two skis ski very similar and one is more forgiving than the other (bigger sweet spot, easier to turn) guess which one I'm going to be on. Years ago I gave up thinking I had to be on the stiffest 210 GS race board to be a good skier.
It comes down to whatever spins your prop. <FONT size="1">

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post #16 of 30
AK, I haven't been on anything shorter than the 192 Pilot 10 and the 190 Crossmax. Hope to get the opportunity to try the shorter boards soon.

5'11" 185 lbs. Ski mostly backcountry and high speed groomers.<FONT size="1">

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post #17 of 30
Gonz, the EZ didn't thrill me at all.

I tried it in a pool a few weeks ago back to back with my Riot Disco. For starters, its slower than the Disco. Thats really saying something! The reason why I want to ditch my Disco this year is the slow speed. Its fine on a wave, but good luck trying to make certain waves and ferries. On top of that, I dont think the EZ hull is as good as the Disco. Wave Sport makes some loose boats, but they still don't have it figured out like Riot does. The EZ does initiate and throw down better than the Disco tho. The new Riot Dominatrix's look really cool. But my problem with Riot is that I can't stand their built in thighbrace concept. The fit feels sloppy and I never felt tight in my Disco despite hours of foaming.

I'm taking a big chance on the Ego. I dont live in a kayaking mecca, so it would probably be April til I could demo it here. But from the specs and stuff, it looks perfect. Its a little longer than the Disco and EZ, so it should be somewhat faster. People who have tried the proto's say its amazingly loose. It looks really slicy, and if its anywhere near as easy as the Ultrafuge to throw down, it should be blast.

If you're getting a new boat, also check out Necky's new Switch and Prijon's Delerious. Both look like really cool boats from companies that typically dont get much attention.
post #18 of 30
I wasn't into rodeo stuff til last year. Once you have a boat that can do it, you start experimenting around. Now I'm hooked. Look at something like the new Pyranha Inazones or Dagger Outlaw/Showdown series. They run rivers well, but also have great hulls.

If you can surf, flatspins are VERY close behind. The flatspin is a no brainer move in the really new boats, and its lots of fun. You can literally buy a flatspin with most of the new boats. I'm dead serious! Cartwheeling is more effort, but its really easy to learn in one of the really slicey boats like a XXX, Ultrafuge, Dominatrix or Ego. The Disco/EZ type boats are fairly easy too, but I think the longer slicier boats make it easier since they have more vertical stabliity.
post #19 of 30
Thread Starter 

What a mess this turned out to be. I apologize for sending the forum down to such juvenile levels.


I must admit that the implied thought of "if you didn't like these skis, then you must not be skilled" did bruise the ego a bit. The Pilot is bound to have its critics, as it has a lot to live up to. To be the next generation X-Scream Series will take a lot, and from my very small glimpse, it isn't quite up to the challenge. I did only have a limited few runs on the Pilots, so I suppose that getting dialed into that ski's finer points could have easily been missed. Go spend the morning on a Mod X Pro, followed by a 185 Pocket Rocket, and then take a Pilot up to speed. How might it feel to you? It that context, if felt a bit weak. It did hold an edge well, though.

I do apolgize to others who might have gotten a bit irked at my tone and swagger. This forum is a great place to get info from the guys and gals who actually enjoy the sport as much as the rest of us. I trully value the miriad of opinions and experiences. I would hate to be "black-listed".

Last to any Doctors and Lawyers whom I have offended, I retract anything negative implied by the Doctor/Lawyer Ski statement. I might need you guys to save my butt in court or the ER someday from trying to ski like a Hero.

In closing, whether you rip the bumps, or straightline the nasty chutes, it is still skiing, and if it makes all the rest of the crap we put up with in life suddenly feel trivial, then go for it. It must be working for you.

For the record: I would own an X-Scream Series, just not a Pilot Scream. I'm not ready to graduate to that just yet! (Ha, ha! That was meant to be funny...no offense intended) <FONT size="1">

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post #20 of 30
AK: I own the Pilot 10s in a 180. I reviewed them in the thread "all mt demos."

Wow, people get worked up about this stuff. Must be a touch of "You are what you ski."

In any case, I still think they're terrific. Skied them all over Whistler two weeks ago in all terrain. I think a few folks have hit the nail on the head when they say that people's reactions to skiing them will depend a lot on HOW they are skiied. I like a quick, supple ski and the Pilot is that. It feels like it flows over varying terrain and is more of a scalpel than a sledgehammer. It does anything I ask it to do and does it beautifully, but it doesn't respond best to being mashed. It doesn't need to be. If you're used to muscling a stiff set of boards, you won't like the Pilots. If you like an almost sensual feeling of the boards following the terrain perfectly and precisely, and the confidence of being able to put them exactly where you point them, you might enjoy them very much.

I'm skiing Mt. Tremblant March 2-4, and Chamonix March 17-23. Anyone want to hook up?!
post #21 of 30
Bandit Man, I might not agree with everything you said, but I respect your opinion and wasn't offended at all. The Pilot system is sort of strange. People seem to either like it or hate it. I think Salomon has a good idea with this system and may need to tweak it some more to appeal to skiers that don't like it now. I was very skeptical at first, especially after skiing the pre-production model (green.) Then came the orange model which I liked better but it still wasn't what I wanted. I only spent about half a day on the new Pilot and I think they are much closer with this ski. I need to spend more time on it. I still like my Series better based on some short term testing. The new ski I really like is the Crossmax 10 Pilot which I got a full day on and didn't want to give it back.
I have not skied on the Mod X or the Pro, but the feedback I have received has been all positive from people whose skiing I respect.
post #22 of 30
But Gonz, the current Pilot doesn't ski the way the rest of the Salomon's do. You really need to try them in order to understand whats going on in this discussion.

They DON'T have that rebound that the Series has. From the '02 Pilot reviews, it sounds like that may have possibly changed with next years model. I haven't tried the new ones so I don't know either. It'll be several weeks til I get the chance. But the current version disappointed even current X-Scream fans. A lot of people seem surprised at the controversy that the Pilot has created this year. It doesn't surprise me at all. You take the best selling ski of the past 3 years, strip it of several of its best qualities, and add $300 or more to the price tag, its going to create controversy.

Perhaps the thing that the Pilot will go down in history for is introducing an "all in one" system from a certain company. I think taking choice away from the consumer is a "bad thing". For example, I'm looking foward to trying the Vertigo Motion. But even if I love the system, I'm really hestitant to own a pair. I have serious issues with the reliability and pre-release of Marker bindings. I have had horrible experiences with the M51 toepiece. So even if I end up loving the Verigo Motion, I'll likely just get the normal G3 and mount them up with Look Pivots or Salomons. This is coming from someone who loves Volkl and Tecnica, but hates Marker with a passion. All 3 of these brands are under the same coporate umbrella. If Volkl decides to follow Salomon and start forcing buyers to put Markers on all their skis, its so-long to Volkl for me. <FONT size="1">

I laughed at loud at Bandit's edit of his original review

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post #23 of 30
mike_m said:

It feels like it flows over varying terrain and is more of a scalpel than a sledgehammer. It does anything I ask it to do and does it beautifully, but it doesn't respond best to being mashed. It doesn't need to be. If you're used to muscling a stiff set of boards, you won't like the Pilots. If you like an almost sensual feeling of the boards following the terrain perfectly and precisely, and the confidence of being able to put them exactly where you point them, you might enjoy them very much.

Yeah. What he said.

post #24 of 30

Check your edges. Mine and my friends are wider on one side of the ski then the other. This is a manufacturing defect covered under warranty. Check out this thread: http://www.epic-ski.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001399.html
It gives all the details.
Time for a new pair of woodys!

Thanks and ditto.

That's cool. Sorry myself if I came off harsh. I was actually just screwing around. I appreciate everyones input on these boards.
Everyone has a right to an opinion...even if it is wrong

I skied my 192s on hard, rough, almost ice snow last monday. First day on those types of conditions. Groomers that had been skied and got warm the afternoon before and froze up over night. Pretty rough choppy stuff. When making big gs turns I got what I would call chatter and vibration but not so much that I felt the ski was a problem. The snow just sucked. I didn't feel out of control, just uncomfortable, I don't much care for fast gs skiing on those kinds of conditions so I went back to my regular fast fall line slalom turns and felt great. I thought the ski hooked up good and was very much in control. I'm sure some other skis may have felt better in the big fast turns but I don't really care that much for big gs turns anyway unless it's soft packed powder. Then I like feeling of carving big turns. Mostly I like seeing how fast I can go AND how many turns I can make down the fall line and bump skiing. IMO the Pilots work great for that and are awesome in all kinds of soft snow, crud and bumps. I also felt they worked great on the hardpack with my style of skiing. I can see though how one would not want to "turn up the speed" on that kind of snow if big fast gs turns are your thing. Better off with a race ski I guess. Me, I go find the soft stuff next to the trees when it's like that. You Atomic guys can have it!

Having said all that I think I will go a size or two shorter next time. That's why I wanted to hear from anyone who may have skied 186 or shorter woodys. It should just make it that much easier and more fun tossing these things around in the bumps and trees etc.

SkiOn...<FONT size="1">

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post #25 of 30
Bandit Man, I assumed when you talked about skiing on the new Pocket Rocket you were also referring to the new Pilot 10 (wood core.) The new Pilot 10 has "greenish" topsheet and is quite a bit different to ski than the orange/copper colored current model. It holds much better on hard snow than the current model and handles speed pretty well. It does have that Pilot feel which some people may not like but this ski performs. The Crossmax 10 Pilot has the same system but doesn't feel the same maybe because it has risers/spacers under the front and rear of the bindings and I think this might be a reason for the great edge hold. Does it effect the ski flex? I don't know but if I buy some I may remove the riser/plate and find out.

Gonz, I think we have very similar "likes" for what we prefer in a ski. That was a great description.
post #26 of 30
Gonz, i only skied them for a few runs, and i didn't change my style around a whole lot. i did try short and long turns in various snow but i undoubtedly have a race bread style, albeit a bit more 2- footed in short turns than my coach really wants me to be. I dont usually have a problem with adjusting to a ski pretty quickly and pinpointing the sweet spot. I try god knows how many skis and know pretty quickly which i like and which i dont. For instance, i loved the 1080 Mogul... a 'flopppy' bump ski with a slight twin tip and a slight sidecut, and i loved it. smooth, stable, carve-able, and quick as lightning. the pilots exuded confidence at a slow speed but were not smooth at high speed through soft or hard snow... o well.

re: integrated systems. I personally love what volkl did with the energyrail this year. i have rossi bindings on mine and YOW does it cruise. stable, precise to a T, smooth, quick, god i love it.

It's not bragging if it's true - Mohammed Ali

There are two reasons for everything, the good reason and the real reason
-J. Pierpont Morgan

If life was easy everyone would be successful.
post #27 of 30
Thread Starter 

You assumed correctly. I was skiing the the new 2002, dark green Pilot. I really have taken to heart what people have said about "proper technique". If I really worked at it, I might change my tune about these skis. I must echo though, that I loved them in the bumps and for short turns. However, I did ski them in some heavy crud, and they got pushed around. To make sure that I wasn't just tired, I put my Mod X Pro's on and hit the exact same run a few times. They were more work in the bumps, but in that heavy crud, the Mod X Pro was "like butta"! Sliced through with no problem. That is the benefit of a ski with metal. I ski mostly Mammoth and Tahoe, and for those mountains, conditions are prone to be like the one's I had on the day I skied the Pilots. That might be why I didn't really warm up to them. However, I have tried the Scream Series in 3 feet of wet heavy powder, and loved every minute.
Another point, although maybe a bit odd, is taht I am very used to the stiff, flat spot that a more traditionally mounted ski possesses. I probably ski with pretty heavy pressure (can you ski Volkls any other way?!), so maybe that is why I missed out on the Pilot benefit.
I think that if there are a few things to learn from this, they are that Demoing extensively is a must. And last, as shapes and technology evolve, technique should follow...even if that hurts our pride a bit.

I am a bit bummed that I missed out on the CrossMax. Other testers seemed to really enjoy them. That might be a better "pilot" option for my technique.
post #28 of 30
hmmm...Green Pilot pre-production last year. Green Pilot this year, pre-production?

post #29 of 30
Warren (And anyone else who wants to meet at Tremblant or Chamonix):

E-mail me at mmartora@epb.com and we'll figure out specifics. Should be fun!
post #30 of 30
This post is still relevant for the 2001-2002 season.
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