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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

I'm a 43 yo advanced skier. I'm 5,10 and weigh 145 (so not the bigest guy out there). I ski exclusively out west and mostly bumps, trees and steeps, with the occasional family day on the groomers.  I would describe my skiing style as fairly aggressive.  I have been skiing the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous for the last 3 years.  I am looking to move to a wider all mountain ski with some rocker for better performance in the pow and crud, but I don't want to give up too much performance in the bumps and trees and don't want to be miserable on the groomers.  I am looking at the K2 Hardside, Nordica Hell and Back and Blizzard Bonafides (if I can find them).  Any thoughts on which of these might be best or others I should be looking at?

post #2 of 21

You have picked 3 winners, not a bad one in the bunch. 

post #3 of 21
Where are you? Do you need 98mm? Or would 90-88 do it best/just as well?
post #4 of 21
Thread Starter 

I ski almost exculsively out west.  I would consider something in the 88 to 90 range if it performed well in crud and shallow powder.

post #5 of 21
If you are out West, the ones you picked are perfect.
post #6 of 21

I live in PNW and just got a pair of Line Influence 105's, I can't say enough good things about these ski's, the only draw back I find is they are on the  heavy side.  I would not get anything narrower under foot after skiing these.  Check the on-line reviews and demo these or the 115's if you have a chance, you won't be disappointed.
 

post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by Steel View Post

I live in PNW and just got a pair of Line Influence 105's, I can't say enough good things about these ski's, the only draw back I find is they are on the  heavy side.  I would not get anything narrower under foot after skiing these.  Check the on-line reviews and demo these or the 115's if you have a chance, you won't be disappointed.
 


I bought the Influence 105 this season as well, to replace my Line Prophet 100's (skied them for 120 days and thought there was none better - I was wrong).  So far I have about 20 days on the 105's and I would agree with the above post, so I would recommend you look into these as well.

post #8 of 21

You've identified some good skis, but maybe not the best for you. I say this based on two elements in your description or yourself and your skiing--your're light and you like skiing bumps and trees.

 

The Bones are great skis, but they are pretty beefy and can be a handful in tight quarters. Don't get me wrong--they're great skiis, but if you place a premium on skiing trees and bumps there are better alternatives--especially for someone weighing in at <150lbs. Ihave 40 lbs on you and felt like I had to really be ripping in the bumps or trees in order to get the best performance out of the Bones.  I'd recommend demo-ing in your preferred terrain and conditions, before pulling the trigger.

 

The Hardside is just ok. Good if you just want stability to blast the crud, but not much liveliness or personality. Not much fun in bumps and trees. There are any number of skis out there that have better versatility and can do whatever the Hardside can do, but do it better.

 

I haven't skied the Hell and Back so can't comment.

 

The Line Influence is a good choice, but given your weight and terrain preferences, you might also consider the Prophets from Line--both the 90 and 98. They are different and better skis than old 100s. I chose the P98 over the Bonafides for my daily driver because they are more fun (for me) in the bumps and tighter conditions. I feel like can ski them where ever I want all day long. They give up a little edge hold by comparison to the Bones, but only in the hardest conditions. Sierra Jim is a fan of the Prophet 98, so if you don't believe me, take it from SJ.

 

You might also consider the Armada TST.

post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

thanks Flash.  that's great advice. I have heard good things about the P 98s.  Any suggestion on the right length for me? I hear they ski short.

post #10 of 21

I wouldn't say the P-98 skis short. It doesn't ski long, but its beefy enough that I don't feel like I need any extra length. I'm much heavier than you and ski the 179cm. I think you'd be happy with that one or the shorter one (I think the next shorter is 172). I could probably  go up to the 186 but don't feel the need to. The shorter length gives me the versatility I was looking for.

post #11 of 21

The Dynastar Cham 97 has gotten great reviews also.  I ski on a pair of ski logic Ullr's Chariots TT and love them as my go to ski for most any condition. 

post #12 of 21

I highly recommend reading the following review by dawgcatching.  Fabulous overview and might give you some ideas. I ended up purchasing a pair of the recommended Fischer Motive 84 C-Lines as my east coast ski and  am very happy with the results.... so much so  that I've sold off my 2 pair of Volkls.

 

http://www.epicski.com/a/2011-mid-fat-ski-reviews-by-dawgcatching

post #13 of 21

Yeah, I think Flash has given you some useful things to think about.  I think one problem here and elsewhere is that folks have reflexive answers.  The Bonafide, for instance, is a great ski -- for many folks and many situations.  But that doesn't mean it's the right ski for EVERYBODY.  Flash is right on in focusing on your weight and ski style.  You are not 200 lbs and straightlining bowls.  I've never met or skied with him, but I sense you are much closer to Scott (dawgcatching) than either Phil or Jim from StartHaus in both weight and preferred terrain. 

 

I'd suggest you look at Dawg's reviews of recent skis.  There are even a couple with video embedded so you can assess your similarity or dissimilarity to his style.  For example, he likes the Kabookie a lot more than the Bone.  And he likes some other skis that haven't been mentioned here.  Do a little site searching.

post #14 of 21

I'm 5'9" and 150.  The Bonafide in 180 is my go-to ski.  I like it and have a lot of fun on it, but it comes across as more of a hiking boot than a sneaker.  For bumps and trees, there are likely better choices (and lengths).  In Blizzard's line, there are the Kabookie, Bushwacker and Brahma.  I second the advice to pay attention to Scott (dawgcatching), as he is our size.

post #15 of 21

If you are willing to look at a slightly narrower ski, I would recommend you try the Dynastar Outland 87.  A great ski in the bumps, trees and steeps - perhaps not the best in deeper powder but can easily handle up to a foot. 

I am a tall lighter skier like yourself and I really enjoy this ski - I ski the same type of stuff and am pretty aggressive..  In the recent Ski Canada Ski test of all mountain skis, this was the first choice of most of the taller, lighter skiers.  Also some of the lighter skiers on this board who are kind enough to post their reviews seem to think this is a real sleeper. (this lead me to a demo and eventual purchase)

It has a softer damper feeling - not sure if you prefer this or a more lively feeling.

post #16 of 21

I have demoed many skis over the last few years and the ones I fell in love with and bought are the Atomic Access, I bought them to ski the same type of terrain that you indicated, I am 55 -  5'5" and 170 lb's and ski on 161's which I was worried might be too short but they were great. You may need longer for your height and leverage advantage.

Hope this helps.

 

Barry
 

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Marooned View Post

I have demoed many skis over the last few years and the ones I fell in love with and bought are the Atomic Access, I bought them to ski the same type of terrain that you indicated, I am 55 -  5'5" and 170 lb's and ski on 161's which I was worried might be too short but they were great. You may need longer for your height and leverage advantage.

Hope this helps.

 

Barry
 

 

I'll second this recommendation.  I just did Steep and Deep at Jackson Hole and skied these two of the four days.  We lived in the trees and bumps, with no new snow, and the ski was great.  I'm 5'9", 175 and was on the 171 because I knew I wouldn't need anymore for the conditions.  It is an interesting ski, billed as a powder ski (didn't get to try it), has twin rocker, super maneuverable, handled the groomers nicely and is surprisingly inexpensive.  I'm pretty close to buying them.

 

Other days were split between S3's and S7's at 178.  Lot's of people make those skis work for everything, and I could see going that route, but I liked the Access better on the groomers.  Also, I was a witness to the capabilities of the Influence 105 as our coach was on them and I watched him rip many a steep, technical line on them.

post #18 of 21

Thanks FreddyG,

 

Your description of the Access capabilities were as if I was reliving my trip to Vail on Jan 12-17. From carved railroad tracks to round turns in the cruddy moguls along with some floating turns in 4" of fresh pow we found in Bolshoi Ballet these skis were great.

 

Barry G.
 

post #19 of 21

I had the opportunity to demo several skis yesterday at Bogus Basin Idaho.  I am 66 years old, 180 lbs and a level 3 skier with 40 years experience.  The snow was Western Hard.  I particularly liked the Blizzard Bonafied and The Volkl Kendo (maybe liked the Volkls a little better).  I understand the the Kendo is considered an Eastern Hard Snow Ski?  How similar are Bones and The Kendo?  I was very disappointed in the Rossi 88.

post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by oldsitzmark View Post

I had the opportunity to demo several skis yesterday at Bogus Basin Idaho.  I am 66 years old, 180 lbs and a level 3 skier with 40 years experience.  The snow was Western Hard.  I particularly liked the Blizzard Bonafied and The Volkl Kendo (maybe liked the Volkls a little better).  I understand the the Kendo is considered an Eastern Hard Snow Ski?  How similar are Bones and The Kendo?  I was very disappointed in the Rossi 88.

 

Good to hear from another Bogus Basin skier--not too many of us commenting here at Epic.

 

The Bones are great skis for strong, technical skiers who ski fast--particularly in the wide open. (It's a great daily driver for places like Bogus). Unfortunately I haven't skied the Kendo so I can't compare, but there are many posts here on Epic about both skis. A simple search should turn up as many reviews and comments as you'd care to read--good stuff.

 

Let me know when you're headed up the mountain (Bogus) perhaps we can make some turns together. ski.gif

post #21 of 21

Nordica hell and backs!

I bought a set of Nordica Hell and Backs a couple of weeks ago and have done about 5 days on them. i am a similar hight and weight to you and i have to say i love the ski, it is a lot of in the trees and powder, on groomers the ski is surprisingly quick edge to edge and hold an edge really well. this ski likes to be skied fast! i am having a lot of fun on them.

 

the head rev series of skis would also be worth looking at in my opinion.

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