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K2 Mod 7/8

post #1 of 16
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5' 8"
150 lbs.
59 year old intermediate
Ski mostly in Vermont

First, why I bought these skis: I own, love and will keep my Rossi T-Power Cobra X in 160 cm. They do a lot very, very well, BUT they do not handle heavier powder and crud, tending to nose dive. I bought the K2 Mod 7/8 explicitly as a crud buster. The set up: 174 cm with Look Pivot 7/0 bindings.

Verdict: Love these skis. They smoothly plowed through piles of snow that gave me trouble on the T-Powers. The K2 Mod 7/8 has more shape, being wider at tip and tail, than the Mod X or the Mod X Pro: 111-70-101. They were exceptionally easy skiing, very creamy smooth - and that word, "smooth" is one third of their description. The next word is "easy" - they turn easy, including short, short turns. They surprised me with edge to edge quickness - although I didn't buy them with this in mind, it was a pleasant surprise, considering my skiing style. The third word is "forgiving" - they held me up when a more demanding ski would have let me fall down, quite literally. You can get in the back seat on these babys and they say, "Oh, no problem, ski on old friend". In fact, if I skied these all the time, I would get away with so much bad technique that my progress might be inhibited. I mean, who's going to correct lapses in technique when you rarely know they're occuring and get away with them anyway? I skied and looked better than I really am. Because they felt so reassuring, stable and easy, I found myself going places and doing things not usually on my menu. I can understand how a skier who is stronger, or heavier, and more of a hard charger would like the Mod X better; but for guys like me, especially looking for an eastern powder and crud ski, this one is the ticket. I feel better have both types of skis - the short, highly maeuverable, demanding carving scalpel known as the Rossi T-Power Cobra X [and now re-renamed the T-Power Viper], and the longer, much wider, more shapely, smooth, forgiving and versatile crud buster known as the K2 Mod 7/8 [and now renamed the Axis]. The truth is, though, that if I had bought the K2 Mod 7/8 first, I'm not at all sure I'd be thinking about buying a second pair of skis. [Note for those who know me: Not that I wouldn't consider a third pair somewhere between the T-Power Cobra X and the K2 Mod 7/8 . . .just a thought]
post #2 of 16
Good review Oboe, you somewhat confirmed a few of my suspicions.

I've really been thinking about what is in store for the super slalom skis. Both ski companies and shops are really pushing these skis now. And I wonder, is this because this a new and untapped market - meaning an easy sell? Or because they are better for the skier?

I'm sold not on these skis at all. I've tried a few of them, and think they are fun for certain applications. At the most, its a quiver ski. I think that many of the current all mountain skis can cover enough of the slalom's performance, and add enough other benefits to make the slalom a poor buy. Does the MOD 7/8's short turn performance really lack enough to justify the purchase of a seperate ski in your mind Oboe? (I know the order of your purchases, I'm talking if someone bought the 7/8, and then starts thinking about a T-power). My guess is no. The new midfats from certain companies are great do it all skis.

Slaloms are so limited in what they do, its a poor buy for most skiers. They are completely one dimensional. Most skiers will NOT spring for a quiver of skis. And if they choose the slalom as their only ski, they really become far more limited to on-piste conditions. Why buy a ski that only excels in short turns, when you could own a ski that does moderately well in short turns, and excels in medium turns, long turns, crud, and powder. The decision seems obvious to me. Short slalom skis are being overhyped on this site. If you are looking into a pair of them, you really need to demo one against a modern all-mountain ski and see if it provides enough performance to justify owning one of these specialized skis.
post #3 of 16
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Well, Matter, yes and no. The Mod 7/8 is surprisingly nimble. However, there is no question that the short length of the T-Power lends itself to moguls, those narrow eastern trails, and quickness in reacting which is unmatched in the Mod 7/8. When the soft stuff is not soft anymore, I will be on the T-Powers. In the moguls, the Mod 7/8 was FAR more forgiving but FAR less agile than the T-Power. But you suggest a really good question: Now that I own and am familiar with the T-Power and the Mod 7/8, if I had to give up one and keep one, which one would I keep? Frankly, you're offering me "Sophie's Choice" - that is how horrible I'd feel to choose which one lives and which one dies. That's why I will NOT put the T-Powers up for sale or even accept a full refund. But that begs the question. And now I absolutely will feel horrible and hate myself for saying this (gulp): If I had to keep JUST ONE . . . just had to, choose or die . . . I'd have to keep the (this is really difficult for me to say) K2 Mod 7/8. Why? Just because it covers a broader spectrum of skiing experiences. However, let me at least try for partial redemption here, since I am feeling guilty as hell: Your statement relating to shorty slaloms - at least to the T-Power - is not entirely correct. Although they are maneuverable as a snake and do short turns in a nanosecond, they also do really good GS turns, believe it or not. They even slide through light and soft new and chopped powder. The ONLY reason I got the K2 Mod 7/8 was to handle heavy untracked and chopped up crud and heavier types of eastern powder and black diamond slope type "push piles". It just turned out that, in addition to their main assignment, they're fun and do a lot very well, easily and comfortably. The wide, shapely K2 Mod 7/8 does NOT perform on ice nearly as well as the T-Power. This is particularly important in the east. If I lived in Colorado, California, the Rockies in general or the Pacific Northwest though . . . For maybe a third of skiers at my intermediate level and skiing in the east, the T-Powers would be the one-pair choice. But for a full two thirds, it would be the Mod 7/8. Well, Matter, you've exposed my nerve, and now I am emotionally exhausted. There's new snow out there. Later<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by oboe (edited January 28, 2001).]</FONT>
post #4 of 16
Great review on the 7/8.The 7/8 is a lot more ski then most people think it is I own The Modx but had a few runs on the 7/8 the wide tip sure does pull you into a turn.My wife has demoed a few skies this year and so far the 7/8 is on the top of her list.She is abig Rossie fan so for her to like the 7/8 over the T Powers was areal suprise for me.Glad you are enjoying your new toys.

The Best skier in the world is the One with the biggest smile. Utah49
post #5 of 16
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Skied literally iinto the night yesterday, so legs were tired and we got out late today. Snowed nice last night, no grooming, all chopped. Tried the T-Powers for the first run and deliberately ran them into a field of chop. They felt bumpy, not so easy to turn, and the rest of the run was not that great. My thighs hurt from yesterday. Swapped skis, put on the K2 Mod 7/8 and had a ball. No problems with the chop, it actually felt smooth, turning in it was easy. My thighs hurt tons less. We did a black we like, piles here, piles there, no problem with the Mod 7/8. Oddly, short turns were EASIER [?!] so go figure. I was able to get into a hill of chop and go FAST, feeling stable, confident and in control. In the bumps, I am better forgiven with the K2 but more capable with the Rossi. I missed the T-Powers in the bumps. Now I'm waiting for a day with no new snow, and I'll do the comparison again. This has been an unexpected revelation. More later.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by oboe (edited January 28, 2001).]</FONT>
post #6 of 16
Keep bringing on the reports Oboe, you're not letting my theory down.

I hope you know my above post wasn't meant to try your nerve like you said. I honestly think that many of the current all-mountain skis cover enough of the super slalom's performance envelope to make them a smarter buy. Best example I can give is the K2 MOD series of skis. Can you believe how easy they are to ski? This is why these suckers were selling like mad this year. They have great all around performance, and are as I like to say, "stupid easy" to ski. The 7/8 has a really smooth soft flex, which makes it enter the turns extremely well. But the MOD technology really dampens the ride, and makes it smooth and fairly stable at speed. The wide shapely body makes it ride through anything. I think rides like this are the future ski prototype, not short stiffish slalom models that prefer select terrain and snow conditions.
post #7 of 16
The 7/8 is definitely a great ski. It's alot of fun and agile. It definitely won't reach the performance of the T-power skis or any slalom ski for that matter, nor will it bet better at GS than any GS specific ski (i consider midfats to be the SUV of skis...). Yet, it's still a great ski. It's forgiving enough when you don't have the technique or the strength left to control them. That's why I love them so much. And in actuality, alot of people have come into the shop asking for Mod X's even though they hadn't demoed them. I told them they should go out and demo...and behold...the 7/8's are becoming pretty popular .

I don't think Slalom skis are so limited. I just took a pair of T-power vipers out today for all mountain skiing. They handled GREAT. Sure, floatation in the powder is a bit of a drag, but the edgehold is great and the ski is relatively soft but snappy compared to most other skis. Another great benefit with these skis is with knees. Shorter lengthes = less stress on knees. I definitely could last longer on the slaloms than on my gs's. Another thing is, these "super slalom" skis are comparable to alot of midfats imho. I've skied the X-Scream Series, Modx, ModxPro, Supermntn, Bandit X,XX,XXX etc. The slaloms, like i've said, are a drag in powder, but they still handle great because of their short and easily controllable lengths. Maybe msrp of $795 is steep for these skis, but I personally think if people go out and try these skis, they'd appreciate them more. I'm not trying to say a slalom is better than a midfat...i'm trying to say they're similar to each other in alot of respects. I'm burnt out so i'll try to explain more later...nite...

post #8 of 16
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Matter, when I said you exposed a nerve, I meant you hit paydirt, and that I'm feeling somewhat disloyal regarding my shorty slaloms. The fact is, the 7/8 Mod is a great ski for me - but so is the T-Power. We've had some great natural snow days here, much better suited for the 7/8. However, they just do not have the bite that the T-Powers have. When the going gets "eastern", the eastern skiers get on skis with bite - like slalom skis or, in my case, shorty slalom skis. However, again, the better all around performer is the longer, wider, more shapely, more flexible Mod 7/8, which also is plenty stable at the highest speeds at which I EVER want to ski. If we travel west and I take one pair, it's the K2's. I feel that I have the best of all possible worlds in my two pair quiver.
post #9 of 16
you should really try the T-power viper out here in the west. I had a blast on them in Mammoth this past weekend. Sure, they need extra work in order to float in powder, but it's not so difficult. Tree skiing is awsome with these things as well. I don't know how to explain it in full detail, but i really do think that a shorty slalom can be a one in all ski. Just give it a shot...you'll love it off-piste as well

post #10 of 16
I think the reason shorty slaloms are being over hyped is because of their lofty price tag.

For my experiences, if I could only afford one pair of skis, it would be an all purpose mid-fat with a fair amount of sidecut.

Here's a thought,(and only a thought) if Oboe had bought the T Power Cobra in a 174, would he need a different pair of skis?

I have not had the opportunity to ski the Mod X or the Pro. I will definitly have to. If all the right ups were like Oboes, we wouldn't need ski magazines. Good job friend.

If it holds snow-It can be skied!
post #11 of 16
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Thanks, Gonzo and Lars. Here's my reaction to the last three posts above: In light, fluffy powder of modest depth, we all can be heros. In heavy, eastern set-up crud and wind pack, there are no heros, only surviviors [but some of the survivors look really nifty!] I first demoed the T-Power Viper [now Cobra X and next to be Viper again -phew!]. . .andyway, I first demoed it in 174 and loved it. When I tried the 167, I loved it. However, I never had the tough conditions. Sure, there was powder and cut up crud - but it was not the gen-ewe-ine real McCoy eastern stuff. The T-Powers can be skied with a lot of pleasure in more than one condition, BUT they are demanding and they were not much fun in the heavy stuff. I'm not Jonny Mosely, but just trust me on this one: The tips got caught in the heavy piles, and sitting back was even more disastrous. The 174 T-Power [Viper, Cobra, who cares?] is definitely no relative of the 174 K2 Mod 7/8. That K2 is wider, has more side cut, is more flexible and is WAY WAY WAY more forgiving, even length for length. If I had bought the 174 T-Power, would I still have thought about another ski? I don't know, to be honest with you. I do believe, however, that the T-Power is not made to be skied that way - in a 174 on someone of my weight and ability. It's a carver, not a surfer, not a crud buster. It has a different purpose in life. Rossi made it that way. I want you to know that shorter carved turns are much easier on the 174 Mod 7/8 than on the 160 T-Power. The T-Power has it over the Mod 7/8 in quickness in moguls and on harder snow - hands down. In those conditions, it has the better capabilities - but still, not the forgiveness. SO . . . having skied the T-Power in 174, 167 and 160; and having skied the Mod 7/8 in 174; if I had to choose one, it would be the K2 - but that is, as I have said, a real "Sophie's Choice", because I really, really do not want to make that choice. I want them both. And LUCKY ME! I HAVE THEM! so there
post #12 of 16
I agree with you oboe. The T-Power Cobras I tried definately had their place and that was for quick turns on the harder groomed and bumpy stuff. I thought they were definately a lot of fun and if I had the extra money I'd love to have a pair. They are awfully expensive though for that "little" ski. I have to admit to not trying the Mod 7/8s but had I posted before you bought I would have definately recommended the Mod X's for what you're using them for. Because they're less stiff and have a bigger side-cut it would seem that the 7/8's would be fairly "turny". I think the X's would have given you a little more stability in the crud and created a longer carved arc. Nontheless, while I couldn't even think of the Mod 7/8's because of my weight(I had to run a Pro), sounds like you're light enough to really go with them. Anyway, glad you really like them.
post #13 of 16
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BobT, thanks for your thoughts. In my case, turny is good, I like it. I love having the capability to make smooth, short, quick, side to side turns - and I GOT IT! However, the 7/8 also makes large turns nicely, plows through or over the stuff I want it to plow through or over, and I have skied faster on that ski, with confidence, than on any other ski I ever owned [barring my former 200 cm Salomons which lacked the other graces of the K2 Mod 7/8]. I have learned from past experience that more flexible is a better choice for me. These babies deliver - what else can I say?
post #14 of 16
Dear Oboe, What if you had the Rossi T-powers in a 174cm length, would you then also need the Mod7/8? Would the Rossis at the longer length provide their inherant advantages under hardpack conditions and in moguls, while also providing satisfactory performance in crud and in modest powder? I ask because I have found my 181cm ModX to be too long for my needs.If I manage to sell them, then I will get a shorter set of Skis - perhaps ModX 174cm or Rossi T-Power at ?174cm or at 167cm.What is your opinion?

post #15 of 16
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johnsill, funny you should ask! That's somewhat the same as what Lars previoulsy has asked. Here's my answer: The T-Power at 174 and the K2 Mod 7/8 at 174 are in no way the same kind of ski. In deep-heavy-chopped conditions, the K2 Mod 7/8 is the better ski, period. And in packed snow, the T-Power is the superior ski. If I had bought the T-Power in 174, and then demoed the skis I now own, I would have wished I did not opt for the T-Power in 174. The T-Power line is MADE to be skied short, and the length I have is the one recommended by Rossi: 160, and I love it . . . except in heavier and deeper stuff. That's why I bought the K2 Mod 7/8, also in the length recommended by the manufacturer - 174. I am 150 pounds and a fair to middling intermediate, and these skis are GREAT for me. In the hardpack, the T-Powers in 160 shine. In the chopped crud, pushpiles on steep blacks, and anything deep and heavy, the K2 Mod 7/8's are magnficent. However, the 174 T-Power would not have solved my problems in the deep: In the first place it's a STIFFER ski, in the second place it's a NARROWER ski,in the third place, its a LESS SHAPELY ski, and finally, it should be skied in the manufacturers recommmended length to achieve the results for which it is designed: Short [and long] carved turns on packed snow. If the 181 Mod X is too long for you, then either try it in a shorter length [174], go to the Mod 7/8 [this new year called the "Axis"], or both. You do not post your weight, ability or expected results, so this is as much as I can say. However, the plain and simple answer to your question is: If I had bought the T-Power in 174, I still would feel somewhat less than ideal in deep-heavy-chopped snow conditions, but better than with a 160 T-Power. If I had to get one ski and one ski only, it would be from the K2 Mod/Axis line in the best length for me. However, if I had it to do over again, I would do just what I did: Get the T-Power for packed snow and the Mod 7/8 for everything else. Please feel free to e-mail me at bgreene@law66.com and, if you would like, we can swap phone numbers. One last thing: The K2 Mod 7/8 is more flexible, wider and more shapely than the Mod X - very forgiving, very easy to turn, and yet very stable at speed. You could do worse than to check it out. Remember the name change: Mod 7/8 will be the Axis; Mod X will be the Axis X.
post #16 of 16
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Brother Gonz, can't you just hear my wifey reading over my shoulder?! "Don't encourage him!" Hear it, now?! Seriously, thanks for your remarks. If there's one thing I know about [in addition to law, that is, and you of all people better hope that I do know about that], it's intermediate skiing - BOY, do I know that! Step two: oboe needs to learn more about EXPERT skiing - now, THAT would be an improvement! I'm getting there, I'm getting there. Today, the mountains continue to have snow that did not fall in the valleys. I left the T-Powers in the car and carried only the Mod 7/8's to the hill. Good thing, too! Lots of snow, mostly wind packed powder. I spent the day working on some of those narrow lumpy trails with piles, rocks, stumps and drop-offs so familiar in eastern skiing. The skis did their part, and I was working hard to do better at mine. The truth: The T-Powers wouldn't have been as much fun today - at least not for me. In those even more typical packed-out days when loose piles of snow are mere memories - THEN the T-Powers will RULE!! Thanks again, Gonz, for your kind remarks - but wifey may never forgive you.
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