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Alta from 1/2/13-1/16/13 - skis?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Visiting Alta first time from 1/2-1/6 (cautious intermediate skier; 6', 190 pounds, generally ski stratton groomed, but have skied out west at Vail groomed runs frontside and blue sky basin groomed / ungroomed and Deer Valley). 

 

I ski the Rossi s86 178cm which works great for Stratton and worked great for Vail / Deer Valley (hardly any new snow when I was out there last year).  Also demoed the Ski Logik Chariott TT 178 cm a few times last year and loved the skis - had been thinking of buying it for skiing out west, but given the s86 was working well and given that there was a great deal on the Rossi 195 super 7 - ended up buying the S7 on a whim for powder days, but was unable to use it due to hardly any snow when I was out west. 

 

Given the weather forecast for the next few days for Alta, looks like I picked the few days when its not expected to snow.  However, looks like there has been a lot of snow in the recent past.

 

Question - should I just take the s86 and not bother to lug the s7 (no airline bag fees)?  Also, would the S86 work well at alta or should I consider renting / buying a 98-100 mm ski (either the experience 98 or ski logik chariot) and just using that ski out there (leaving both the s86 and the s7 behind)?

 

Lastly, if you have skied both Vail and Alta, which are the runs at Alta that most closely resemble the Northstar or the Riva ridge runs (frontside) or Encore run (BlueSky Basin) at Vail (Note:  I suck at bump skiing)

 

Thanks

post #2 of 17

Two yrs ago I bought a pair of 197 width and I have found that I like them better in all conditions, including moguls.  The only thing I don't like about them is lugging them around in the bag, for sure they are heavier.

 

If you bought the new skis, take them and use them.

post #3 of 17
When in doubt, take them both. If you are sticking to groomed terrain then 86 underfoot should be fine if you have decent skills. However, even the groomed at Alta can build up some crud bumps, etc. The s7 will be fine if you venture off the groomed, but may be a chore if you stay on the groomed. So, again, take them both -- if you are having no fun with either ski, you can always rent something in the 98 underfoot range. At any rate, have fun. Where are you staying?
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Sounds like the S7 should make the trip and instead of the lugging the s86, i should either demo / buy a 98/100 mm ski as the daily driver.
post #5 of 17

There's no problem taking 2 pair of skis in a ski bag as long as the total weight is no more than 50 pounds.  If your ski bag is incurring bag fees you'll pay whether you have one or two pair.

post #6 of 17

I had the same questions going out West for the first time.  The advice I received was a bit wrong, so I ended up with my racing (almost) skis at Whistler as I wanted to hit groomers (what was I thinking?) just like you.  Since I'm a guy that likes to get his equipment right I did tons of research to never get it wrong again. 

 

Here is how you do it:

 

1.  Figure out what skis you have right now (look at the waist size and go to Free Skier dot com to figure out what it all means).  Big mountain (West) universal ski will have a waist of around 102mm, anything less than 100mm is not an all around West coast ski.  

 

2.  Answer yourself what kind of a skier you are.

3.  Figure out where exactly you're going to ski.  What resorts? What runs? Will you try something new? Do you want to stay on groomers like in the East (if that's the case, no need to go to the West)?

 

4.  Figure out the weather.

 

If you get the above correct one ski will allow you to hit it all.  The second ski only comes into play in case you want to charge (racing ski) groomers, as that is not possible to be included in the all around ski.

 

Few tips from me:

 

* I have 7 pairs of skis and I'm going to tell you this: any ski (except Park skis) with a waist in between 72mm and 100mm is a waste as it does not perfect anything.

* Forget about groomers, just hit it all from the top to the bottom.  You'll love it.

* Kung Fujas 2012 is an all around ski that perfects nothing, but masters the average (especially for the West).

*  I saw few with a 65mm ski in Alta and few with a 127mm ski in JayPeak this year.  The opinions are out there you just have to navigate them :)


Edited by awegrzyn - 1/1/13 at 7:51pm
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post

There's no problem taking 2 pair of skis in a ski bag as long as the total weight is no more than 50 pounds.  If your ski bag is incurring bag fees you'll pay whether you have one or two pair.

 

No bag fees due to status with delta. But, leaning toward getting the ski logik chariott TT (demoed before) or something else  in the 100 mm range that can act as an everyday western ski and want to keep space in the bag to bring the ski back if i end up purchasing it. 

post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowbirdDevotee View Post

Two yrs ago I bought a pair of 197 width and I have found that I like them better in all conditions, including moguls.  The only thing I don't like about them is lugging them around in the bag, for sure they are heavier.

 

If you bought the new skis, take them and use them.

 

 

Pics?

post #9 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyckkr View Post

 

No bag fees due to status with delta. But, leaning toward getting the ski logik chariott TT (demoed before) or something else  in the 100 mm range that can act as an everyday western ski and want to keep space in the bag to bring the ski back if i end up purchasing it. 

 

You could always ship them. 

post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

thanks. didn't think of it. that solves the problem.  taking them both. 

post #11 of 17
When you get to Alta, demo the Rossie ex98 at Deep Powder House. Great ski for the next weeks conditions...
post #12 of 17
Ps. Don't forget the S7s. Castle hasn't opened all season. Could soon.
post #13 of 17

So...

 

What do you actually want to ski? You start off saying cautious intermediate groomed, but end by talking about your S7's.

 

If you want to push your skills, take the S7's. They will be a more confidence inspiring ski for ungroomed.

 

If you are going to ski 95% groomed runs, take the S86.

 

The really nice thing about general west coast conditions is that hardpack performance of a ski is more or less irrelevant.  The snow stays soft enough that you can ski pretty much anything on groomed snow and still have fun and be in control. However, there is no point in taking the off-piste ski if you aren't going off piste.

post #14 of 17

 Devil's Castle opened today for the first time this year. Had to be epic. The curse of work....you got some? Say yes....smile.gif

post #15 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowbirdDevotee View Post

Two yrs ago I bought a pair of 197 width and I have found that I like them better in all conditions, including moguls.  The only thing I don't like about them is lugging them around in the bag, for sure they are heavier.

 

If you bought the new skis, take them and use them.

 

>>>pics.

 

funny.  I've been looking at xc skis online so much lately i have 198's in my head.  they are 97 width.   that hit me while i was dug out my skis to pack, heading to SLC tomorrow.

post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
So brought both the S86 and the S7.

Used the S86 the afternoon we reached (yesterday) on groomers and stuff just off piste - it was fine,

Today, however, it was the s7 until early afternoon pm at the newly opened castle off Sugarloaf lift.......

Awesome.....
post #17 of 17

Outstanding! ...There wasn't a storm or much advance warning so it can be like a private club or a zoo...  a happy zoo, with lots of hollering. Nice to lay down first tracks of the season.

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