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I've been skiing for 40 years and considered myself an expert until last year. I was in the woods at jay peak - north glade on blizzard 'the one' - i think they are 177 long, 98 underfoot. I am 60 years old, 5'10, 190 lbs.  It was late in the day, the pow was delicious and I was running on fumes - just 'one more run' playing in my mind. I slid off a bump, couldnt make the next turn and slammed into a tree. 4 broken ribs later I was canned for the second half of the winter ski season.

 

I want to blame the ski but really I am just getting old. My quads dont have the power or the endurance they used to. When I go over bumps, I can feel the shock wave traveling through the muscle as if it were jello.It didnt used to be that way. My quads used to be tight and quick. I still go to the gym 3x a week and do squats and lunges. But, as we age and our connective tissue gets looser (wrinkles, you know?) the same process is occurring in our muscles. The perimysium (the connective tissue surrounding and interlacing the muscle bundles) probably gets loose too and thats why i 'feel the wiggle and jiggle'.

 

So, my question is, should i move to a blizzard kabookie or a prophet 98. Both of these skis have more camber than 'the one' (which has none- it is a flat twin tip with a little rocker) I specifically mention these skis as they have camber and they feel tighter on the turns and quicker to stop (p98>bonafide) My thinking is that I will be more agile in the bumps. I guess I just cant power the blizzard skis like I used to. I demoted myself to intermediate and now my din setting is a 5. Maybe I should just turn my interest to cross country. I shudder at the thought of another injury, although I loved buckaroo bonzai 2 days ago in the pow. I am not wedded to these skis so if the gurus here have a suggestion I am open to it.

 

And since AT bindings are getting better, I might go with the marker AT binding (the baron?) From what I heard, it skis down hill just like an alpine binding (griffon or jester) but gives the option of of unclipping the heel to go on traverses. thoughts on bindings would be appreciated as well.

post #2 of 5
Sorry to hear about your wreck, doesn't sound like fun. If you're thinking that a lighter ski will be easier to turn, I thunk you're on the right track. But, if you think the P98 is light, I think you're off on that. I demoed the P90 last season and found it heavy and sluggish, I'm about 5'8", 150 pounds. I never felt I could relax on it. I also demoed and bought the Nordica Steadfast which was lighter and quicker than the P90, but not a twin tip. I would urge you to try the Nordica Hell and Back or Soul Rider if you want a twin tip, both 98mm. These are lighter weight skis without metal sheets in them but they have camber, tip rocker and terrific edge grip. I've used my Steadfasts in 16-18" of pow and they were great. I ski mostly off-piste and they are my daily drivers. Just remember that camber will not help you turn quicker in pow, that's what rocker does for you.

On another note, burning quads are normally caused by skiing in the backseat and even being a little behind can do it. Have someone evaluate your stance and make sure you aren't doing that.

BTW, I'm 68, so I can relate to the aging problems.
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Originally Posted by bwana View Post

I've been skiing for 40 years and considered myself an expert until last year. I was in the woods at jay peak - north glade on blizzard 'the one' - i think they are 177 long, 98 underfoot. I am 60 years old, 5'10, 190 lbs.  It was late in the day, the pow was delicious and I was running on fumes - just 'one more run' playing in my mind. I slid off a bump, couldnt make the next turn and slammed into a tree. 4 broken ribs later I was canned for the second half of the winter ski season.

 

I want to blame the ski but really I am just getting old. My quads dont have the power or the endurance they used to. When I go over bumps, I can feel the shock wave traveling through the muscle as if it were jello.It didnt used to be that way. My quads used to be tight and quick. I still go to the gym 3x a week and do squats and lunges. But, as we age and our connective tissue gets looser (wrinkles, you know?) the same process is occurring in our muscles. The perimysium (the connective tissue surrounding and interlacing the muscle bundles) probably gets loose too and thats why i 'feel the wiggle and jiggle'.

 

So, my question is, should i move to a blizzard kabookie or a prophet 98. Both of these skis have more camber than 'the one' (which has none- it is a flat twin tip with a little rocker) I specifically mention these skis as they have camber and they feel tighter on the turns and quicker to stop (p98>bonafide) My thinking is that I will be more agile in the bumps. I guess I just cant power the blizzard skis like I used to. I demoted myself to intermediate and now my din setting is a 5. Maybe I should just turn my interest to cross country. I shudder at the thought of another injury, although I loved buckaroo bonzai 2 days ago in the pow. I am not wedded to these skis so if the gurus here have a suggestion I am open to it.

 

And since AT bindings are getting better, I might go with the marker AT binding (the baron?) From what I heard, it skis down hill just like an alpine binding (griffon or jester) but gives the option of of unclipping the heel to go on traverses. thoughts on bindings would be appreciated as well.

 

 

I do have some comments about the skis, which I'll get to in a separate post when I have more time, but I just want to say very quickly that you may be getting discouraged too easily about your misadventure. We all have more of these as we get older, and they are definitely a bummer. However, it's also true that you had a bad moment on a bad day. This is something that happens to everyone, at every age and ability level. If you were at the end of a full day skiing the woods at Jay, you are already in the top 1% of 60 year olds in terms of fitness and skiing achievement. Don't forget that. Take appropriate pride in it. You will have days this season when you are feeling quick and strong, and you will be doing something that most of the 40 year old couch potatoes in this country would kill to be able to do. beercheer.gif

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I do have some comments about the skis, which I'll get to in a separate post when I have more time, but I just want to say very quickly that you may be getting discouraged too easily about your misadventure. We all have more of these as we get older, and they are definitely a bummer. However, it's also true that you had a bad moment on a bad day. This is something that happens to everyone, at every age and ability level. If you were at the end of a full day skiing the woods at Jay, you are already in the top 1% of 60 year olds in terms of fitness and skiing achievement. Don't forget that. Take appropriate pride in it. You will have days this season when you are feeling quick and strong, and you will be doing something that most of the 40 year old couch potatoes in this country would kill to be able to do. beercheer.gif

Absolutly right! Yesterday, I was crosscountry skiing with a friend and we were passed by a group of younger people... We were happy because this is rare...

For the skis, I would go with Hell and back or Steadfast like Mtcyclist proposed; they're so light! But the Steadfast is stiff for a non-metal ski... I  Tries and liked the Kabookie...but I am presently overwhelmed by me new Kastle mx-88...

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Originally Posted by bwana View Post

I've been skiing for 40 years and considered myself an expert until last year. I was in the woods at jay peak - north glade on blizzard 'the one' - i think they are 177 long, 98 underfoot. I am 60 years old, 5'10, 190 lbs.  It was late in the day, the pow was delicious and I was running on fumes - just 'one more run' playing in my mind. I slid off a bump, couldnt make the next turn and slammed into a tree. 4 broken ribs later I was canned for the second half of the winter ski season.

 

I want to blame the ski but really I am just getting old. My quads dont have the power or the endurance they used to. When I go over bumps, I can feel the shock wave traveling through the muscle as if it were jello.It didnt used to be that way. My quads used to be tight and quick. I still go to the gym 3x a week and do squats and lunges. But, as we age and our connective tissue gets looser (wrinkles, you know?) the same process is occurring in our muscles. The perimysium (the connective tissue surrounding and interlacing the muscle bundles) probably gets loose too and thats why i 'feel the wiggle and jiggle'.

 

So, my question is, should i move to a blizzard kabookie or a prophet 98. Both of these skis have more camber than 'the one' (which has none- it is a flat twin tip with a little rocker) I specifically mention these skis as they have camber and they feel tighter on the turns and quicker to stop (p98>bonafide) My thinking is that I will be more agile in the bumps. I guess I just cant power the blizzard skis like I used to. I demoted myself to intermediate and now my din setting is a 5. Maybe I should just turn my interest to cross country. I shudder at the thought of another injury, although I loved buckaroo bonzai 2 days ago in the pow. I am not wedded to these skis so if the gurus here have a suggestion I am open to it.

 

And since AT bindings are getting better, I might go with the marker AT binding (the baron?) From what I heard, it skis down hill just like an alpine binding (griffon or jester) but gives the option of of unclipping the heel to go on traverses. thoughts on bindings would be appreciated as well.

 

having just spent the last couple of hours of a long sunday skiing with a 62 and a 70 year old doing pretty much top to bottom runs on double black stuff at Crystal Mountain including some boot packing, I would say the youth thing might be in danger of being over rated.  If there's anything I might consider as I get older, it would be lightening my gear and being religious about  continuing the gym on non ski days and off season. Lightening things up (including myself) would take a very heavy AT binding off the list. The 'mobility' for traverses in AT bindings is a double edged sword. Sure, there's more mobility, but it needs to be combined with a walk mode boot, and as there's no return on the binding, without skins, you'll have to drag that loose ski along with you without a whole lot of control if you happen to slip, etc... Telemark gear crushes it for horizontal travel, that's for sure. Honestly, I think I'd just look for a walk mode boot unless you'll be skinning. Intuition liners will lighten a boot a bunch, and some boots are  already pretty light (Salomon X Max..). Matter of fact, I'm guessing that lightening boots would be a very easy 'boot tech revolution' for the industry, especially with all the interest in walk mode and side country marketing efforts. 

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