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Powder ski to fill out quiver?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have the Line Prophet 98 as my daily driver. Ski at Schweitzer Mountain in North Idaho. It is a great ski for this resort at any time during the season but I want a pow ski for when we get dumps or when I venture into the bowls. I need them to be good enough on the groomed run outs as well.

I love my Lines so I am thinking about the Pollards Opus. Also the JJ, Rocker2, and bents. I am 6 feet, 215 - advanced intermediate. Not as much of a charger as I use to be. Also coming back from blown ACL - so any binding tips for fat skis for knees would be great!

Thanks in advance! Looks like it is snowing outside the condo so gonna go get some tracks this afternoon!
post #2 of 16

Based on what you said:

 

Line Influence

Blizzard Bodacious

Blizzard Cochise
 

post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Utahpow View Post

Based on what you said:

 

Line Influence

Blizzard Bodacious

Blizzard Cochise
 

 

 

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Originally Posted by prophet98 View Post

I love my Lines so I am thinking about the Pollards Opus. Also the JJ, Rocker2, and bents. I am 6 feet, 215 - advanced intermediate. Not as much of a charger as I use to be.

Two very differenct types of skis. OP lists soft dedicated powder skis with a lot of rocker. Utahpow lists versatile semi-charger skis with significant metal.

All good skis it depends on whether you want to rip on the groomers back to the lift or just tolerated/survive the groomers? 

post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Good points. I think more pow and chop and crud dedicated. Save the groomers for my prophets as I am not getting rid of them.
post #5 of 16

You are on the right general track. If you want a more powder oriented ski than what you have - get notably fatter.

 

The skis you list are all geared towards a modern style, skiing switch in powder, etc. If that is what you are after, then this is a great candidate list ( I assume you mean Bent Chetler). Maybe add the ON3P Caylor. That said, as noted above, I'd err towards north of 120. At your size, the more north the better....

 

If you want a more unidirectional ski (but still switch capable), just order a Praxis Protest in 187 or 196. IMO, there is nothing better for the mission you describe. Add the fact that coupons can be had to lower the already great site sale pricing by at least 10% and it is by far the best deal in powder skis on the planet (along with Praxis Powder Boards, which are less groomer friendly). ON3P Pillow Fights are probably worth a look. If you insist on a mainstream brand, Pon2oons, Kuros, and Bubbas (more floaty for you than JJs) and similar are worth a look.

 

For pure powder performance, Praxis Powder Boards and DPS Lotus 138s are tough to beat. But both are more marginal on the groomer end of the spectrum. (hence my Protest suggestion).

 

Assuming you are looking for a regular alpine binding, your choices are easy - STH 14 or 16, Pivot/FKS 14 or 18, current Jester... All of those are mission appropriate and fine bindings. Do some reading, ask around, and pick your poison. There are a couple others too - but these are easy to find "no brainers".  

post #6 of 16

+1 on the Bentchettler = perfect! (a little stiffer than the Rocker 2 115, and a lot wider @123 I think.)

post #7 of 16

If you're lucky, these new fatties will get used 1/3 of the time. Probably less.  Why spend time adjusting to a totally different style of ski than your daily driver?  If you want a charger, get last year's Influence 115.  If you want a little more "new style" get this year's redesigned version (with a smidge of tail rocker).  Both should ski with a reasonable degree of similarity to what you already love.

post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Good point - but I do hit whistler com time to time and try to cat ski up here a couple of times so that is why I was thinking of something other than the influence.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by HRPufnStf View Post

Why spend time adjusting to a totally different style of ski than your daily driver?  

 

Because the things that make for a great powder/deep soft snow ski amount to more than just making your perfectly fine relatively conventional everyday ski roughly 15% fatter and

maybe throwing in a shade more rocker... 

post #10 of 16

I have 3 pair of Lines skis. 

 

2010 Line Prophet 100

2012 Line Influence 105

2013 Line Mr Pollard Opus

 

I am skiing up north Michigan and skiied the Opus yesterday and I have to say it is the best all around ski I have ever skiied.  I am not skiing powder on it but hardpack and it just ripped the hardpack.  I can't wait to ski out west and hopefully get powder because I can't imagine how good they would be.  Line skis are just the perfect ski company for me.  I also bought a new pair of Bonafides and Kastle LX82's this year.  I really love the Kastle's because they are really light and carve like nobody's business.  I am actually selling the Bonafides after skiing on them one day.  I just realized that for my style I need a quick turning ski.  I make alot of turns and don't really make GS type turns more of a slalom type skiier.  The Bonafides just didn't work for my style.  I can say that ever pair of Lines I own I love.  If my Bonafides sell I am going to buy a pair of SFB's because I have heard they are alot like the MPO's but a tad narrower which would be perfect for me.

 

If I were you I wouldn't hesitate buying the Opus.  I would suggest you mount them on Marker Schizo's because you can move the binding back if you like.  I am -2 from the recommended line and it skis unbelievable.

 

Chuck

post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

just order a Praxis Protest in 187 or 196. IMO, there is nothing better for the mission you describe. Add the fact that coupons can be had to lower the already great site sale pricing by at least 10% and it is by far the best deal in powder skis on the planet (along with Praxis Powder Boards, which are less groomer friendly).

Now you have me rethinking everything after researching the Praxis lineup. Really digging the Concept and the Protest lines. If I keep my Prophets I think I Will add the Protests. But what if I want an all Praxis Quiver? Thoughts?
post #12 of 16

This opens a possibly long discussion. But before we go any further, let me offer a couple quick observations: First, the disclaimer that I am a huge Praxis fan and in fact do ski a virtually all Praxis quiver. So just be aware of that bias. Others in my household are somewhat more moderated smile.gif. But all presently use Protests - with the strongest skier in the house using them as a OSQ... Second, I believe Keith claims he is pulling the holiday sale pricing tonight or tomorrow. Not that the skis are ever a bad deal IMO. And you never know when he might decide to keep them up a few days - he can be a bit mercurial about that sort of stuff. But just so yo know.

 

To your question. If you like the Prophets, I would not rush into dumping them. Especially since the Prophets and a pair of Protests would make for a very nice 2 pair quiver IMO. So for my .02, I'd say just get Protests and see what you think of the value and how they ski. If you like them, you could consider adding to the quiver or replacing the Prophets. FWIW, I have a silly big collection of Praxis skis. The skis I use the most these days are the Protests and Concepts. 

 

In my experience, each of Keith's ski designs has a definite and deliberate personality. By no means are they all of the same temperment. The Protest has a ton of Drew Tabke's likes and needs. The MVP is all Kevin O'Meara. The Powder Board is the child of the Spatula. The Concept is a surprisingly successful attempt to blend a carvable ski with a slarvable/slide-able ski. A couple are Alps style crushers.  Etc. So the best way to match your wants/needs with skis (and options like flexes)  from Praxis is to connect with the quy who makes 'em. Shoot him an email. 

 

FInally, if you are serious about ordering, hit me with a PM and I'll shoot you a 20% off code. All old customers got 'em and when they get used, we get a 30% one... I like that kind of marketing.  I hope he continues the program. biggrin.gif

post #13 of 16
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FInally, if you are serious about ordering, hit me with a PM and I'll shoot you a 20% off code. All old customers got 'em and when they get used, we get a 30% one... I like that kind of marketing.  I hope he continues the program. biggrin.gif

 

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I just pulled the trigger on the Protests as a birthday present to myself and I come back on here and see this! I found a 10% off code on top of the already discounted pricing so I can't complain too much. biggrin.gif I currently use Mantras as my daily driver and I hope the Protests make a nice 2 ski quiver (for now). I really enjoy the Mantras on a variety of different conditions, but after skiing up in Tahoe during the big dump before Christmas, I realized I probably want something fatter in my quiver for bigger powder days. 

 

Any recommendations on bindings for these? 

post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by burknutz11 View Post

 

Any recommendations on bindings for these? 

 

Depends on your size, how aggressive you are, preferences,  etc. That said, most of the usual suspects work fine. Salomon STH (driver), Look/Rossi Pivot/FKS, Marker Royals, etc... There are others as well. Pick the ones with appropriate DIN and durability to suit you. 

 

All other things being "equal", I personally like the FKS/Pivot 14. But that's just a minor personal preference. One downside is that adjusting the BSL/forward pressure is a bit touchy & sort of limited if you want to switch it up with friends or if you swap boots now and again... I also use STHs & Jesters and... eek.gif

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

+1 on the Bentchettler = perfect! (a little stiffer than the Rocker 2 115, and a lot wider @123 I think.)

 

Is that a typo?  The Bent Chetler's maybe stiffer than the regular Rocker 2, but not the Rocker2 115.

post #16 of 16

I find myself agreeing with spindrifts comments and have had a few pairs Praxis skis that I really liked.  Being a gear whore, that likes to rotate skis ever 2 years, they were traded out into other skis that I really liked.  For resort powder use, I really liked my Lhasa Pows, which I just sold to buy some Atomic Automatics.  No days on the Automatics yet, but from the extensive thread at TGR in Tech Talk, I am confident they are going to live up to or exceed my Lhasa's performance, but they are new with Guardian bindings, for some side country access too.  Can't wait to use them.

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