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post #31 of 45

Actually, we're not "trumping up" anything. We're discussing whether a new ski technology is skiied differently from current skis to maximize performance.

I don't know if you have demoed the skis you are categorizing, or would be willing to adjust your style while skiing them to get the most from them, but the tone of your reply seems to indicate you might not.

As a matter of record, I demoed Atomics, K2's, Heads, and the Srceam Series back-to-back before choosing the Pilots. I went with them because they performed best to me.

post #32 of 45
I'll speak for myself here, I'm not trying to "justify" my purchase by writing my opinion on this ski. If you want to know where I'm coming from just read my earlier posts in this thread. I also address the price issue.

I personally found that for my style of sking (and another Patroller I ski with who has the 186's) that the harder you push it the faster it goes. But again read my earlier posts. I thought it performed well through various types of turns. I also think that what is meant by "just go with it" or "let it do the work and enjoy the ride" is that it is fairly effortless. I would compare it to variable assist power steering in a car. Easy to turn going slow, you don't have to give it much muscle, firmer feel when at speed for better "road feel" and less chance of oversteer. Push it hard and it responds... in my opinion.
You don't have to muscle it to get it to do what you want. Just a little initiation and then "go with it"

I will say this for any of you reading these posts who are thinking of buying the Pilot, or even now NOT thinking of buying because of these posts:

I will not say that the the Pilot is "the best" or "the worst" or "mediocre". I will however say that for my ability/style (again see above for specs) the ski works great for me. But that it is not worth $1295 retail. Again see my earler post regarding price. If you can demo it great. If you can't demo and you can relate to the way I or others who like it ski,and if you can get it for $600 or less or a Pro deal go for it.

post #33 of 45
Thread Starter 
Hopefully nobody paid full retail for pilots. Street price seemed to be about $900 at the start of the season. For discussion purposed that works out to about $650 for the skis and $250 for bindings. Certainly in the ballpark for top end skis.

Can't confirm for sure, but I heard they are now down to $650 or so in JH (Gart). If they don't sell at full street they will be discounted.

This is new technology (or at the very least new hype) Just like K2 fours with the blinking light, if you are at all interested, demo, this along with other top end "new style" skis. I don't think anyone who liked this ski is trying to justify spending a pile of money. Without going back through the posts I don't think anyone even paid street price for their pair.
post #34 of 45
I just posted this as a new thread on the General Gear Discusion but thought I'd add it here also.

I think I was on this forum somewhere and someone asked me about the edges on my Pilots. They said their edges protrude out farther on one side of the ski than the other. I checked out my skis and they do.

Under the binding/boot area on one side of the ski the edge sticks out almost an eigth of an inch where as on the other side it is almost flush with the sidewall of the ski. The protruding edge is not on the same side of both skis. In other words you can have the protruding edge on either the inside or the outside of both skis depending on which foot you have them on.

So my questions are... Does this serve any purpose? Are the Pilots left and right skis? Are any other skis (Pilots or others) made this way. I got a pro deal on the skis and mounted the bindings myself and the instructions don't mention anything about this anywhere but there is a noticable difference in the edges. By the way, my wife has a pair of last years Salomon X-Free 8 Lites and the edges are not this way. They are pretty much flush with the sidewall.

Since the protruding edge is only under the boot area it seems the sidecut may actually be a little different on that side. Or perhaps it may make a difference in edge hold. The next time I go skiing I will try them on different feet and see if I can tell any difference.

I would appreciate any feedback.

post #35 of 45
Iam not sure on this but it seems that "most" of the people who like the Pilot 10 were before sking on straight ski's. I said most not all. Well of course the Pilot 10's are better than some old straight ski's. Salomon all ready knows its to soft of a ski and from what i have heard are going to make the new ones stiffer and maybey make the Pilot 10's the Pilot 8's. I personaly didnt like the ski. I thought the X-creme series was much better ski and the Atomic Beta Ride 10.20 even better and the K2 Mod X the best. I did demo on 2 seperate resorts and the Pilot 10 does best in soft snow. But at the price they want even now there are alot better ski's to get. Iam 37 5'8" 152 lbs . So if you like them get them but demo them first for sure.
post #36 of 45
Iam not sure on this but it seems that "most" of the people who like the Pilot 10 were before sking on straight ski's.

I'll bite my tongue.

post #37 of 45
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May be that this topic has been hashed out enough but I'll throw my .02 in anyway

Well, have to admit before I start that I was prepared to really dislike this ski. Had demo'd the Scream Series (nothin' personal Gonzo, I just didn't like that ski) and expected to feel the same about the Pilot. Was therefore quite shocked at just how well this ski worked. Skied it in cut up and packed powder after an 8" spring snow at Copper Mtn. Managed to also find a few short sections of freshies as well. General comments: a perfect instructors ski - no matter what you want to do on the groomed, the ski will carve for you. Want to make short turns at slow speeds? It's great. Want to pick up the speed a bit? No problem. Want to go long on the turn shape? It'll take you there.

The ski felt very damp (good vibration absorbtion) under foot. The flex seems rather soft, but in combination with the damp qualities, it hugged the snow and tracked quite well. Despite the feeling that the tip was rather soft, the ski did not feel unstable carving long GS styles turns at higher speeds, and the tip did not get deflected off course when bashing through the crud.

Surprisingly to me, the skis worst performance was in the powder. For a wide waisted ski, the ski didn't have the necessary float and the soft flex made the ski very difficult to keep on track. When I tried to turn the ski wouldn't come with me or would suddenly 'grab' and turn far more than I wanted. I would not want to venture off-piste with this ski.

Bump performace was also very good and I don't like bumps, so a ski that makes me feel good in the bumps is doing a good job.

I can't say if the integrated binding really makes this the good ski that it is or not. I didn't notice any great difference between my regular G31's or the P40 Platinums that I was skiing that day as well. For me, as nice as this ski is, it's too expensive to be a "second" pair amd not versatile enough to be my primary ski.

Oh, BTW, I don't remember the exact length I demo'd, but it was the next longest length below 190 - 186 maybe?<FONT size="1">

PS. Like every shaped ski I've been on, this ski does NOT like to be skied flat - try to lay it flat on a long schuss and the ski gets squirrely. Got to give it some edge.
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post #38 of 45
I just spent two days working demo days (Oasis Project) for Salomon at Crystal Mtn. The demos were the current year's gear. Most of the people went out on either Pilots or the X-Scream Series. Generally, the people that liked the Pilot didn't like the X-Scream Series as well and the reverse was also true. After talking to quite a few people about why, I came to this unscientific conclusion; the people that liked to put more energy into the turn and maybe even muscle the ski preferred the X-Scream Series. Those that preferred to let the ski do more of the work liked the Pilots better. Some of the people I watched skiing both skis were equally good skiers, but had different styles. A little more energy with the Screamer, more of a finesse style on the Pilot.
I did take some breaks and went out on next year's Crossmax 10 in 180 and 190 and the new Pilot 10 in 186 and 192.
The snow conditions were very soft (spring like) but we did find some spots in the shade that had harder snow.
In my opinion the Pilot 10 is improved a lot.
I don't know if it's the wood core or the double wall monocoque design but this ski holds very well and handled speed.
The Crossmax 10 is a ski I have to have. It is not as versatile as the new Pilot, but the grip on snow is outstanding. It blew through slush and anything else we could find. I think it's only real shortcoming would be in deep backcountry snow. (I didn't ski firm bumps with it.) The 180 Crossmax was very stable at speed and quick turning, but I still preferred the 190.

post #39 of 45
Face it, Lucky. You are just a big-ski kinda guy.

Hey I totally agree with you on the power/finesse-X-Scream/Pilot thing. Different skier/different skis.

Those Crossmax's are a hoot. I think that I have to have a pair for next year. Wish they weren't so butt-ugly. Kinda look like race cars. All they need is a red and white spoiler. Doh! Did I say that?

What kind of feedback did you get from folks who took out the Crossmax's? You mentioned that most folks were on the X-Screams or the Pilots. Was anyone interested in any of the other models?

post #40 of 45
jd, I might not have been clear, the public was on the current 00/01 season's gear. Barry brought up 2 pair of Crossmax and 2 pair of Pilots for use by those of use working the demo. Of the guys that went out on the new stuff it was rave reviews. I think quite a few of them were impressed with the difference between the current Pilot and the new one. He also had a Pocket Rocket in a 165. I didn't get a chance to try it, but those that did said it was fun.

I'm getting use to the topsheet on the Crossmax 10, but I wish the 10 had the Crossmax 9 topsheet.

Beside the Pilot 10 and the X-Scream Series the next most requested and liked were the Pilot 8 (mostly women) and the younger crowd liked the 1080. The 2v and 3v were well liked by certain skiers, but there were not that many to demo and the lengths were limited (short.)

I'm heading up to Whistler wed night and may get to try some stuff that's scheduled to show up in 02/03. If only my real job could be this much fun.<FONT size="1">

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post #41 of 45
Does anyone know if the width (tip-waist-tail) of the Pilot 10 has changed for next year? It sounds like the dimensions have stayed the same and the only real change is the wood core but I'm just double-checking. Also, is the color a lighter orange or is it an army green (or something else) - I've had people tell me both colors?
post #42 of 45
TDK, Dimensions are the same as this year's and the color for next year is sort of army green. Double wall monocoque design and a wood core.
post #43 of 45
This post is still relevant for the 2001-2002 season.
post #44 of 45
I just got my new woody Pilots. Turned in last years Pilot 10 192's because of a factory defect with the edges. Went with the 186's this time. The color is green but changes to a blue/gun metal gray depending on the light. I'll post a review as soon as I get to ski them.
post #45 of 45
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky:
Generally, the people that liked the Pilot didn't like the X-Scream Series as well and the reverse was also true. After talking to quite a few people about why, I came to this unscientific conclusion; the people that liked to put more energy into the turn and maybe even muscle the ski preferred the X-Scream Series. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't agree with this. I'm on my 2nd pair of X-Scream Series. I tried the Pilot 10 last year. Superb at rounded instructor turns on steep groomers but I thought the ski had too much energy for eastern ice bumps. I really had to struggle to get centered on the ski... the X-Scream is much more forgiving. My style? I'm a very big guy and I tend to ski quick rounded completed turns where I make the ski do as much of the work as possible. By your description, I should be a Pilot 10 guy. I could probably get used to the Pilot fairly quickly but I think I'd always find it a little bit of a handfull in the bumps.
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