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Ability is only part of the equation. The best skier on the mountain on the wrong size ski will not be happy. Actually, I have heard similar complaints from others similar to your height weight dimensions who did't like longer Bones. People think because they are an excellent skier, they should always be on a longer ski. Wrong. You pick the ski brand for your ability level, your level of aggressiveness and what you plan to do with it. You pick ski size according to your body dimensions. I don' ski 187 Bones because I didn't like the way they demoed. They weren't suitable for my body dimensions. So be it.

 

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.  If I was skiing on 187's I'd say for sure they are too big but the 180's were right in my wheelhouse.  And btw I also skiied the 173 and though they were more easy to turn I ski didn't like the feel of the ski so maybe I just don't like the Bonafides.  Trust me I really wanted to I just didn't.  Why can't someone not like a particular brand of ski's and that be the end of it?  Why do some people feel they need to defend the ski they use to the bitter end?  If someone told me Line skis sucked and didn't care for them I wouldn't tell them they were skiing the wrong size.  I would chalk it up to they don't like the skis.  My buddy ski's on Blizzard Bodacious' and tells me I should ski a real ski like his.  I just laugh and enjoy myself.  Fanboys are amazing.

post #32 of 37
Actually, I have no problem with someone not liking a ski I like. The real issue was that I see so many on the wrong sized ski. But you answered that. I think having a right sized ski is more important than people give it credit. And I am very anal about choosing the right size when I buy skis. Ski manufacturers vary the stiffness of a ski for varying weights and sizes. Wrong size, worse performance. That is all I was trying to emphasize in this thread. Have a great day on the hill. I broke my foot skiing in December and can't ride until feb.
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Originally Posted by kirkwoody View Post

Actually, I have no problem with someone not liking a ski I like. The real issue was that I see so many on the wrong sized ski. But you answered that. I think having a right sized ski is more important than people give it credit. And I am very anal about choosing the right size when I buy skis. Ski manufacturers vary the stiffness of a ski for varying weights and sizes. Wrong size, worse performance. That is all I was trying to emphasize in this thread. Have a great day on the hill. I broke my foot skiing in December and can't ride until feb.

I won't get into the catfight here, but I will echo kirkwoody on this: I was in Big Sky just recently and lucked into a rental shop that had Bones in 3 sizes.  They recommended the 166 for me based on height and nothing else.  I tried them, the 173, and the 180's.  While the ski had relatively the same characteristics across the sizes, I could definitely tell the difference and what I liked.  For me, @ 5'7" and 170 fairly muscular lbs, skiing older crud and groomers, 173 was perfect.  I think size does matter... at least when it comes to the perfect fit.

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Ski manufacturers vary the stiffness of a ski for varying weights and sizes. Wrong size, worse performance. 

Uh, not necessarily. Most skis are designed to be a constant stiffness across lengths, sometimes a touch stiffer at the very top increment to allow for large, strong skiers. The stiffness is a function of the cross-sectional area, for a given material. So it's a fit with F=Ma, meaning you can bend that cross section with some multiplicand of your speed and your weight. Edge angle figures in, but not important here. Length will be a fit with your height, since you need to be able to pressure the tip, and the further away the tip is, the less leverage you have, so more muscle force will be needed.

 

But notice that a good skier, who skis fast, won't have to be very heavy to bend a stiffer ski. And should have the mechanics to pressure the tip of a longer ski. That he/she may want for its stability at that speed. So there's no "true" fit between a body and a ski, more about how fast you ski vs. your weight and your skill set. 

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So there's no "true" fit between a body and a ski, more about how fast you ski vs. your weight and your skill set. 

 

I agree 100%.

post #36 of 37

Yeah, I might agree with beyond and procos, but there is also the characteristics of a ski lenght relative to purpose and situation.  For me, the 180's would have been great if I were into large radius, go-fast, wide open and fairly consistent snow conditions.  Instead, I wanted a ski that could dance a bit through chopped-up crud piles and would be amenable to smaller-radius turns along the sides of groomers where I could garner a little fresh.  SInce that tends to be my ski situation and my style, the length I liked best was a shorter length than some other situations/skiers would want.

post #37 of 37

OP appears to be long gone. Not that it should stop the fun, necessarily, but worth mentioning in case anyone thought we were still trying to answer a question for his or her benefit. smile.gif
 

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