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Volkl P40 F1 Energyrail

post #1 of 17
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First of all recognize that this is a GS race ski, ment for rippin groomers. This is not an all mountian ski.

I started feeling a little altitude sickness from the rail plate with the addition of standard lifters on the Marker set-up. I was at least 22mm off of the ski.

These puppies ran and ran fast. I could easily see my self spending a few days in Sun Valley going mach 5 on these boards. Edge grip was incredible, stability was awsome, turn initiation was a breeze (better be with all that leverage gained from the double decker condo they had on there). Carved a very smooth round med to long turn. Not so great trying to do short swing but that is not what this ski is designed for. Turn completion was smooth and the transition was effortless. With the major amount of lift I was able to lay these dogs out and never lost my grip. Through inconsitant terrain they were a bit rough and transfered a good amount of shock but they did not loose thier path and stayed on track. Did not feel any deflection.

WHo is this for???
An aggressive expert skier searching for the ultimate hi-speed cruiser for smooth terrain.

WHo should buy it?
Someone who has disposable income and can afford to purchase a ski for the sole purpouse of ripping groomers. This is not an everyday ski (especially for the NW). But it would be easy for this pup to find it's way into my quiver for the few days a year I might spend on the groomed. It might be too much of a ski for the super slalom courses set for City League.

I do not think I would recommend the Rail version to a non expert cruiser. The standard P40 F1 would probably be fine.
post #2 of 17
NASTAR and Masters GS....!!!!

Who should buy it?? Anyone who wants to shave a 1/2 second off their time.

Groomers are just an added bonus...not the intended use.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by yuki (edited January 01, 2001).]</FONT>
post #3 of 17
I have last years p 40 f1 in 193cm. I'm 5' 11" 190lbs.
I was able to demo the new f 1 with the energy rail in 188cm for 2 days in december. We were mostly skiing gs gates, east coast. The conditions were 1 day relatively soft snow, 1 day hard snow.
My first reaction to this ski, which held throughout the 2 days, was " this is the smoothest, fastest ski I've ever been on". For high power gs turns it was stunning. This 188cm/rail was more stable than my last year's 193cm in the turns, I couldn't imagine wanting the 193cm with the rail unless you are going to do very big, very, very fast turns. Never once did I wish this ski was longer, although I never tried it in a straight tuck. I actually found it very forgiving in the middle of the turn, if my weight was off for/aft the rail seemed to smooth things out -it
didn't care just wants to go! Very smooth and powerful, I was shocked at this forgiveness
in the turn. I am not a big racer, but this was the first time I could feel instantly the effect of driving the arms forward, the ski really accelerates.
Loading the tail of the ski at the end of the turn resulted in an incredibly smooth,powerful turbo surge of acceleration. What surprised me again was how smooth and stable the acceleration was-not twitchy or sudden, just solid and smooth. You're going to need some strength to hold on, but it's predictable and reliable - absolutely stunning.
During freeskiing short turns on steeps it gripped like crazy, but it is not nearly as forgiving. It really needs to be set up in the turn properly, but do that and it's awesome.
Also boot alignment issues are critical for shorter turns, and seem to be more important in general for this class of ski.
For general use I would seriously consider the 183cm with the plate. I would bet the top end is still very high I personally would not buy the 193cm unless I was planning to do serious racing, and even then I might get that more for super g than gs. In 188cm this is a very powerful ski.

Volkl - elegance at speed,reliable, spirited.

This ski truly lives up to that, and pushes some more. Now I need to try those p 40
sl's.....170's?!
post #4 of 17
F1's are the bomb. that simple. they are teh most powerful snappiest race ski on the market. i'm currently entering my second week with these skis and it's been love since first turn. I have 183's and I can't overpower them (i weigh 160 about 6', and i daresay i have an aggressive, strong stance, although usually saying that here gets people shushed). they are ridiculously stable. they are more stable in fact than my 192 powertracs, which dont flinch at 70. but please, dont buy the F1 unless you know how to honest-to-god ski like a racer, because anything but arcing it out big and fast and other skis have it all over the energyrails.

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post #5 of 17
F1's are the bomb. that simple. they are teh most powerful snappiest race ski on the market. i'm currently entering my second week with these skis and it's been love since first turn. I have 183's and I can't overpower them (i weigh 160 about 6', and i daresay i have an aggressive, strong stance, although usually saying that here gets people shushed). they are ridiculously stable. they are more stable in fact than my 192 powertracs, which dont flinch at 70. but please, dont buy the F1 unless you know how to honest-to-god ski like a racer, because anything but arcing it out big and fast and other skis have it all over the energyrails.

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It's not bragging if it's true - Mohammed Ali

If life was easy everyone would be successful.
post #6 of 17
F1's are the bomb. that simple. they are teh most powerful snappiest race ski on the market. i'm currently entering my second week with these skis and it's been love since first turn. I have 183's and I can't overpower them (i weigh 160 about 6', and i daresay i have an aggressive, strong stance, although usually saying that here gets people shushed). they are ridiculously stable. they are more stable in fact than my 192 powertracs, which dont flinch at 70. but please, dont buy the F1 unless you know how to honest-to-god ski like a racer, because anything but arcing it out big and fast and other skis have it all over the energyrails.

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It's not bragging if it's true - Mohammed Ali

If life was easy everyone would be successful.
post #7 of 17
Unfortunately, the P40 F1 and Platinums are sold out everywhere...not even at the Volkl warehouse are they available in many sizes...they have quite a bit of the energYrails in stock tho...i ended up having to go with those...lol

Regards,
RK
post #8 of 17
Reading this thread is getting me really excited...

Supposedly the new Volkl G3 ski is basically a G31 with an energyrail platform w/ integrated Marker bindings. The whole setup forms a Pilot type system. After seeing what the F1 energyrail can do, can you imagine an all mountain version based off the G31? Makes me shudder
post #9 of 17
Matter,
So would that mean that you can buy a "pilot system" for any ski you'd like because i think the energy rail is mountable on most ski types...atleast with a 65mm or greater width. AND, you can buy strictly the energy rail from volkl. If that's the case....wow....=O Any ski could have a pilot system...amazing isn't it?

Regards,
RK
post #10 of 17
Hey Mello,

Its not quite the same as the energyrail plate I think. I was just told it uses some of the same technology. It sounds like theres lots of BS floating around about Volkl's new setup, so we'll have to wait and see what comes about.

The idea behind the energyrail is that it allows a more natural ski flex. You can read about it on volkl.com. But I've never seen one installed on anything other than the new green F1. If someone has some extra cash lying around, I'd love to hear how it works on a G31
post #11 of 17
Hey Matter,
I just sold someone a pair of G31's today..actually...i sold him a sweet setup..boots bindings and all...maybe i can coerce him to get the energy rail?...

anyways, Volkl's selling the energYrail by itself, so if a shop has a jig, i'm sure they can mount it on any ski...the thing about the energYrail is that it's not just to allow for a more natural flex, but also allows the user to customize his/her ski more by either moving the pin around or moving the lifter back and forth along the tracks...i don't know which it is....they have a yellow lifter...so maybe you can mount it on the Vertigo G31 (also yellow).

if any volkl reps are reading this...it might be cool if the system can be applied to any ski around =) that'd be some big bucks for Volkl i think....just think about it....natural flexing ski...PLUS customizability....*shiver*....

Regards,
RK
post #12 of 17

Hi there I have a nice pair of Volkl p40 F1 racing skis with Salomon S900 racing technology bindings. 163cm, 86/62/98 for sale if any one is interested. made in germany, made out of titanium, 3d side rail power frame

post #13 of 17

11 year bump.......new record?

 

SJ

post #14 of 17

For a 163cm GS ski no less!

post #15 of 17

Speaking of years and years, did Ghost ever get bindings for his p50 greenies?

post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

Speaking of years and years, did Ghost ever get bindings for his p50 greenies?

Yes, after much consternation, I payed for a pair of Comp 16s.

700

 

I was hoping the ski's longitudinal flexibility would allow them to be pressed into service for both SL and GS turns.  They are not THAT flexible.  What they are is a little too flexible for really hard charging at highish speeds (I'm used to SG skis), in which situations they WILL fold up on you if you ask them to do too much, which can be unpleasant.  If you keep things reasonable they make great GS skis.  As I tend to forget myself every now and then, I have found it safer to ski the Volant Machetes, which although also have a (albiet higher) speed limit, are a tad stiffer in longitudinal flex. On the other hand if I can remember not to abuse the skis by trying to turn too tight at too high a speed, they are a lot of fun. I really enjoy their lively playful feeling (once past 15 mph), and they are a little better for a lightweight like me than the stiffer Machetes in bumps.  I had a blast skiing through  trees with small bumps when they finally had enough snow to open up those trails on my tiny hill. 

 

PS. Retrieved my SCs for small hill skiing for next winter.

post #17 of 17

 

Since there's a bump...

Can't wait to try my oldies out this week!

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