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Roads to BCC and LCC in two wheel drive?post #1 of 1412/25/12 at 1:45pmThread StarterIs this generally OK or not? And does it vary by canyon?
Gear mentioned in this thread:post #2 of 1412/25/12 at 1:57pmpost #3 of 1412/25/12 at 3:50pm
Here are a couple threads that turned up doing a Google search on "4WD LCC: epicski"
LCC and BCC tend to have the same status when it comes to vehicle restrictions during snowstorms. Easier drive to Park City, but not a good idea with only 2WD if snow on the road.
Assuming you are flying in, consider reserving 4WD that can be cancelled. Switch to 2WD if not going to be snowing. Can always take the ski bus for LCC/BCC.post #4 of 1412/25/12 at 9:50pmThread StarterWhen I was reserving every AWD was $400 or more expensive than a full size for a week. Been looking the last week and couldn't find any AWDs available. Well they had one and rented it to us for not that much more than a full sizepost #5 of 1412/26/12 at 6:10amI always rent AWD -- I consider the additional cost as part of the vacation. Having said that, I also check the tires on the vehicle before I leave the rental place. AWD are legal in LCC and BCC during storms, but if the tires are marginal, then you won't make it up the canyon roads... If cost is the main factor for you, then rent 2WD and take the bus in the event of a storm.post #6 of 1412/26/12 at 7:24am
If you don't want to pay for a 4wd, like others said you can take the bus. Just make sure your hotel is on the bus route. I rent 2wd and walk half a block to catch the bus if needed. You could drive to the base of the canyon and take the bus up the canyon, but good luck finding a seat. You might not get on the first bus.post #7 of 1412/26/12 at 10:43am
If you are on an extremely tight budget, the bus is an option. It's also an option if you are experienced with SLC trips and know the layout and situation. But, if you are with a group and can split the cost, and this is your first trip to SLC, it's definitely worth the extra $75-100, considering the overall cost of a ski trip, to get a 4WD or AWD. It's not right to plan and wait for a vacation, and not know the layout and how things work and be worrying about getting up the hill because of overcrowded buses. It's not the best way of traveling if you are a newbie. (for locals or experienced SLC skers they know what to do) Also, you have to know where to catch it, or it could be almost an hour ride from your hotel and cut down on your vacation time. Then on a busy snow day there can be a "lineup" for the bus all trying to get on one to get back down the canyon. Enjoy your trip!
If you are gong for only a few days and the forecast is clear, then try to downgrade to a cheapo. It's possible that if you do the opposite, the 4WD's will be sold out with a storm. In a weeks time you have at least a 50% chance of hitting snow, less if it's only 3-4 days. Considering my couple dozen trips I only estimate chance of powder as 25% on a 4 day trip. If you are going to Park City you won't need a 4WD. Also, remember if you hit it when there is a ton of snow coming down and the LCC road is delayed opening or backed up for miles, the BCC is a good option that day, rather than getting stuck waiting. They get the same good snowfall and have good terrain, just less so for experts, but the are nice all round resorts.
La Quinta is less than $60/day for a room. I think Crystal Inn ha their own shuttle but when I priced them, they are much more expensive.post #8 of 1412/26/12 at 12:08pmpost #9 of 1412/26/12 at 5:17pm
I thought I should add my thoughts on this thread. Full disclosure: I'm the General Manager of Park City Four Wheel Drive.
We rent mountain-ready vehicles in Park City, fully equipped and specially selected for the unique driving challenges found in Utah. If you find yourself in Park City and want a vehicle to get you and your group around to LCC and BCC, or even Snowbasin and Sundance, consider reserving one of our SUVs. Our fleet is fully prepared for snow, with 4 wheel drive, snow tires, GPS navigation, SiriusXM radio and a rooftop cargo box. Our vehicles are all 2013 4-door Jeep Wranglers (with the hard top). There are seat belts for five adults.
Our service is designed for the skier or visitor that might not want a rental car the entire time you are here. We deliver the vehicle to your hotel / condo / vacation rental and pick it up at the end of your reservation. It's easy, simple and a great way to explore more options on your vacation.
Check our website out for rates and availability - www.parkcity4x4.com.
Think Snow!post #10 of 1412/26/12 at 5:22pm
http://www.rideuta.com/ for bus info.
Buses are a cluster on a pow day, so you need to know the layout. I agree with the others, not recommended for pow-hungry newbies. If you do opt for the buses, get on an early bus as close to the start of the line as you can (a line that takes you directly up to whatever canyon you are skiing.) Board at/near the base-of-the-canyon parking lots, fuggedaboutit. Rides down can be a cluster (especially lower stops like Solitude and Snowbird), so stay later, and tip yer beertenders.
In the past five years or so, BCC has gotten a lot more traffic on pow days (based on my ~2 or so trips a year.)
I've never had any issues driving up to The Canyons or PCMR from SLC on a powder day with a 2wd rental. And I've driven some pretty cheap crappy rental cars. YMMV. But I grew up in New England, and today's cars handle so much better in the snow than the cars I grew up driving. If you don't have the miles of snow driving under your belt, better safe than sorry.
As mentioned, Snowbasin is a good option also. It is a longer drive (if there is a lot of snow at lake level, it may not be worth the longer trek up vs the Park City areas) and Snowbasin can be tricky on a low viz day. Blue bird pow day, ...
Best recommendation, if it is a pow day, drive to Colorado. The roads will be clear.post #11 of 1412/26/12 at 9:46pm
Just MHO, not withstanding the signage and restrictions, days when a FWD with all-seasons is going to suck in the canyons, an AWD with all seasons will do little better. If it is a full on winter storm, you are probably safer taking the bus than driving any rental vehicle as stock (FWD, AWd, or 4x4). You would actually be better off with FWD and chains than AWD...post #12 of 1412/27/12 at 6:27amQuote:Originally Posted by tromano
Just MHO, not withstanding the signage and restrictions, days when a FWD with all-seasons is going to suck in the canyons, an AWD with all seasons will do little better. If it is a full on winter storm, you are probably safer taking the bus than driving any rental vehicle as stock (FWD, AWd, or 4x4). You would actually be better off with FWD and chains than AWD...
We always rent AWD in Utah, but we've never needed it. The real benefit is that we think they will let us up the LCC road when they won't allow a FWD, but I've never seen anyone stopped, so I'm not sure that is a real issue. The problem is that you always get all season tires with the rental. The extra money is better spent on chains.
BKpost #13 of 1412/27/12 at 8:36am
Please don't attempt to drive up the LCC or BCC in your FWD rental when snow is forecasted. Please don't be "that guy" whom everyone is backed up behind as your vehicle spins and slides. There are several turns in each canyon that are off-camber, even with 4wd it's pretty easy to slide off into the snowbank.
I drive the BCC road every Saturday and Sunday during the ski season. Most large storms you'll find the sheriff parked at the bottom checking for chains or 4wd. Just because he isn't there doesn't make it a good idea to drive on by in your rental. The road conditions can vary greatly from bottom to top. Even though you may find clear pavement at the bottom doesn't mean you won't find yourself cursing your decision when you encounter greasy conditions up top.
Even with 4wd and good tires the roads can be a handful in a storm. If you aren't familiar with the roads or driving on snow it might be best to take the bus up. The bus may be slower, but it's a lot quicker than a tow truck.post #14 of 1412/27/12 at 10:59am
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