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Adding a new powder ski

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Can you recommend a few powder skis I should try? I currently ski 90% of the time on bonafide. I have Gs skis for firm days but haven't had a real powder ski since the old Volkl Explosion 15 yrs ago. I miss the playfulness of poder ski. Also as I'm aging, the less effort I put in keeps me playing longer.

I'm 52 advanced skier. 6'2" 195 lbs. Ski at Squaw in Tahoe mostly. I don't get that many days that are full blown powder days. I think I'm looking for something that handles powder well but also skied out powder or heavier snow. So a little more versatile. I'm open minded though. I don't want a ski that's too similar to Blizzard.
post #2 of 22
Icelantic Nomad RKR, Atomic Bent Chetler, DPS 112
post #3 of 22

http://bluehouseskis.com/snow-skis/powder-skis/rockered-skis-maestro.html

 

Bluehouse Maestro

 

Rockin' pow and crud ski that I'd have no problem recommending at twice the price.  It's a stellar bargain.

post #4 of 22

Atomic Automatic, Armada JJ, Rossi Super 7... there is a ton of good powder skis that you can look at! biggrin.gif

post #5 of 22
Check out the rocker 2 122 in the longer lengths. I'm much lighter but also ski a bonafide as my everyday ski.
post #6 of 22

There are a few good suggestions above mixed with a lot of misdirection. You asked for a ski with skied out crud capability and this generally speaks to a ski with minimal tail rocker or at least a more substantial overall flex.

 

Some of the better choices are the Atomic Automatic, Salomon R2 115 (not the 122), K2 Sideseth, Nordica Helldorado, Volkl Shiro. There are others but these are all a little more stout in crud than the others. These are all great enough at deep powder that if you can't ski powder on these, you need lessons not new skis. These few are a better starting point than a S7/Sup 7, Bent, DPS 112, Armada JJ, or similar.

 

SJ

post #7 of 22
Might also consider Moment Jaguar Shark or Bibby Pro, ON3P Billy Goat or Caylor. Those 4 are a little more stout overall than something like an S7 or a Bent Chetler. My quiver for last year was Bonafides and Caylor for Squaw, Jackson, and Utah.
post #8 of 22
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

There are a few good suggestions above mixed with a lot of misdirection. You asked for a ski with skied out crud capability and this generally speaks to a ski with minimal tail rocker or at least a more substantial overall flex.

Some of the better choices are the Atomic Automatic, Salomon R2 115 (not the 122), K2 Sideseth, Nordica Helldorado, Volkl Shiro. There are others but these are all a little more stout in crud than the others. These are all great enough at deep powder that if you can't ski powder on these, you need lessons not new skis. These few are a better starting point than a S7/Sup 7, Bent, DPS 112, Armada JJ, or similar.

SJ

But he also said that i) he's getting older, ii) is after less effort, and most importantly iii) playful pow ski to balance against Bones (which are already crud slayers.

I definitely defer to your knowledge of current skis. And the op definitely mentioned crud and powder. And the op skis Tahoe.

But full on fun and playful powder skis tend to be softer and have tail rocker... which is why some of us mentioned those sorts of models. Though they surely sacrifice crud busting for this. But don't the ops bones handle that duty?
post #9 of 22
Thread Starter 
I was just researching comments about the Atomic automatic. It really sounds like a great ski. As last post mentions, are these getting too close to my bonafides? I enjoy them in all conditions but am looking to step it up and make powder easier and definitely where I can hang out playing all day. SJ posts are appealing because I'm not running to change skis at lunch. I can still ski with the wife and kids and enjoy. My guess is that I give up some of that jumping too far into a 100% powder specific ski. I want playful, quick tree ski that I can chase the last of the powder in and then go ride with the kids without changing skis. I feel I'm close to this now with my Bones, but I'm greedy and want to fill another slot in my quiver. In your opinion, should I just stay on my bones most of the time and get a real powder specialty ski and not compromise? I feel like powder skiing is already so much easier than what I grew up on that it's hard to see the point.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by justruss View Post


But he also said that i) he's getting older, ii) is after less effort, and most importantly iii) playful pow ski to balance against Bones (which are already crud slayers.
I definitely defer to your knowledge of current skis. And the op definitely mentioned crud and powder. And the op skis Tahoe.
But full on fun and playful powder skis tend to be softer and have tail rocker... which is why some of us mentioned those sorts of models. Though they surely sacrifice crud busting for this. But don't the ops bones handle that duty?

This doesn't have to be the case.

post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by justruss View Post


But he also said that i) he's getting older, ii) is after less effort, and most importantly iii) playful pow ski to balance against Bones (which are already crud slayers.
I definitely defer to your knowledge of current skis. And the op definitely mentioned crud and powder. And the op skis Tahoe.
But full on fun and playful powder skis tend to be softer and have tail rocker... which is why some of us mentioned those sorts of models. Though they surely sacrifice crud busting for this. But don't the ops bones handle that duty?

 

The Rocker2 115 has a flatter, stiffer tail than the 122, but it still has plenty of tail rocker as long as you're not skiing switch half the time.  Same deal for the Automatic vs. Bent Chetler.

post #12 of 22

The skis suggested above run a wide range of characteristics, many listed as a group have almost nothing in common. You have skis suggested above with lots of sidecut to almost no sidecut. You have camber under foot and none. You have high speed chargers listed next to playful turners, skis 123mm waist and skis with 110mm waist. You have heavy stiff skis with light flexy skis. Sort this out and ask some specific questions to clarify  this arbitrary mess of skis someone likes for their  purposes....not yours so much.

 

IMO, you want a little camber, some sidecut, and some dampening.

 

If you find a ski you like, your time on the Bonafide may decrease to about 50% of fresh days, those with set up skier cut and packed conditions by 11am.

post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 

davluri

what skis meet that general criteria. Do I have to trade stability for quick turns and playful? Maybe I can give in a little on each??

post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by vontress View Post

what skis meet that general criteria. Do I have to trade stability for quick turns and playful? Maybe I can give in a little on each??

 

All of the ones SierraJim mentioned...

post #15 of 22

Yeah, don't get the S7s, Xmas eve I was skiing them and it was blowing and snowing and goggles were icing over; there was 12 inches of new on top of 50 inches of relatively new, and over 100 inches overall, but the snow was stiff, windblown, and cut up.  Watch and see what will happen if you ski this with S7seek.gifROTF.gif

 

Oh, btw, I'm 65 and my wife is filming (she's much older and she is on Volkl Attiva Estrellas, considering to be a groomer ski).

post #16 of 22

I don't think anyone is saying the S7 isn't a great ski - they just aren't as stable as some other great skis.  Especially for someone closer to 200 pounds.

post #17 of 22

I've found my 188s super stable at my 235 lb weight, but I might not ski as fast as some younger guys; I may need to up the DIN on my Look PX12s from the 7 they are at now smile.gif

post #18 of 22

It's probably important to figure out what you're looking for, whether it's biased towards being more playful/surfy, more charging, or more jack of all trades oriented. 

 

I mean, if there was one ski that did it all the best, we'd all have that... right? And the Bonafide is, in my opinion, pretty versatile, from powder to piste. I went through the same calculation, and decided I wanted something that was more biased towards playful and surfy at the cost of versatility-- thinking that I already have versatile covered, and what was lacking for my tastes in my Bones was something uber playful and surfy for proper powder days and trees. Of course, I'm very light, which counts for something when someone is trying to figure out who is giving the advice. 

post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by vontress View Post

davluri

what skis meet that general criteria. Do I have to trade stability for quick turns and playful? Maybe I can give in a little on each??


Rossignol Super 7

Dynastar Cham 97 or Legend Pro 105

Salomon Rocker 2

see a theme? French, hehheh

Bentchettler

 

I ski the S7 and think it's the greatest powder ski ever made, personally, IMHO, and I am pretty light at 140#. Most people don't ski them correctly, not close, so don't listen to reviews by most people.

The reviews are mostly useless and clueless. There is a reason powder skis are not stiff, totally lost on most younger skiers who horse their skis and ride backseat.

 

For your purposes, the Super 7, when the snow gets skied out and your hangin' with the family or friends, becomes basically a normal ski and the tip and tail cease to function much.

 

Regarding trade offs and compromise, for your powder ski forget the entire concept of stability. Your Blizzards have that, and you have them for that type of snow.

 

Automatic has very little sidecut and a stiff tail. Bent is pretty wide but could be great.

Shiro has no camber, is a narrow Kuro, which many bigger guys like, but very soft snow specific.

Don't know the Nordica's or Blizzard's, so can't comment.

Don't support  made in China, so no recommendations there regardless of performance.

post #20 of 22
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post


Rossignol Super 7

Dynastar Cham 97 or Legend Pro 105

Salomon Rocker 2

see a theme? French, hehheh

Bentchettler

 

I ski the S7 and think it's the greatest powder ski ever made, personally, IMHO, and I am pretty light at 140#. Most people don't ski them correctly, not close, so don't listen to reviews by most people.

The reviews are mostly useless and clueless. There is a reason powder skis are not stiff, totally lost on most younger skiers who horse their skis and ride backseat.

 

For your purposes, the Super 7, when the snow gets skied out and your hangin' with the family or friends, becomes basically a normal ski and the tip and tail cease to function much.

 

Regarding trade offs and compromise, for your powder ski forget the entire concept of stability. Your Blizzards have that, and you have them for that type of snow.

 

Automatic has very little sidecut and a stiff tail. Bent is pretty wide but could be great.

Shiro has no camber, is a narrow Kuro, which many bigger guys like, but very soft snow specific.

Don't know the Nordica's or Blizzard's, so can't comment.

Don't support  made in China, so no recommendations there regardless of performance.

That is really incorrect, but offset by the fact that even though you have finally embraced modern ski design, you are still about 3-4 years behind the times in design aspects that the S7 does wrong.

post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thoughts on gunsmokes???
post #22 of 22
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Originally Posted by vontress View Post

Thoughts on gunsmokes???

 

I skied the Gunsmokes and the Automatics last week (5'11", 190#).  I am an old school, directional skier; Automatics by a mile.  They felt more nimble and more stable: better anti-tip dive in deep, better tail for my style of skiing, better on harder snow getting back to the lift. 

 

The skis I want to try before buying the Automatic in 186 are the Rocker2 115, Squad7, and Automatic in 193.  I suspect I'll want the 193, and I think you definitely will.  beercheer.gif

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