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Poll Results: Which 98 mm (ish) ski is your favorite?

 
  • 0% (1)
    K2 Hardside
  • 5% (6)
    Dynastar Cham 97
  • 9% (10)
    Rossignol Experience 98
  • 13% (14)
    Rossignol S3
  • 30% (31)
    Blizzard Bonafide
  • 3% (4)
    Nordica Enforcer
  • 11% (12)
    Volkl Mantra
  • 6% (7)
    Kasle BMX 98
  • 16% (17)
    Line Prophet 98
102 Total Votes  
post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by 2time View Post

I went to the E98 this year and could not be happier. I too am an old school skier so these things feel like water skis in the powder to me and I love being able to rail them on the groomers.

Preface: Different strokes for different folks ski choice is a personal preference what I ski and the way I ski it or tune it is someone else's dream or nightmare. The only pairs of 98's I have skied are the Mantras and the Rossi E's

 

That being said I want to add that after having been on 3 different pairs of E98's they are not equal from the factory. My personal pair was fine with my normal tune of .5 deg base edge 2 deg side. They skied great on the groomers and everywhere else.

After seeing the fun I was having I didn't have to talk to hard to get my brother and neighbor into a pair but after hearing them complain about not being able to ski them I switched skis for a run.

Both of their skis were railed pretty bad esp in the tip area. Very grabby not wanting release ect... So after a trip to the shop and a good stone grind by a competent operator and re-tune this time (1 deg base, 1 deg edge) they were happy as a kid with new skis with their new skis.. 

 

After talking to the local Rossi rep he told me there were other people complaining about not being able to ski this ski or not liking it..

 

I think many times these big skis go out for the first time and peeps are not happy with them because they have not been set up right. The E98 is a Big Boy Big Mtn ski. As mentioned above it is a fat GS ski made to be skied hard in all conditions advanced/expert skiers but with the right tune and setup it can much more enjoyable and even more forgiving for those less technically steeped skiers. The reasons for many skiers dislikes of ski like this can be attributed to not being set up properly. IMHO

 

I want to mention also that last year I was on a pair of E88's. It took me 3 trips to slopes to get the right tune for that ski it also came edge high from Rossi. Also my wife is on the Temptation 88's this year and loves them I did not take a chance with those skis  I took them  right to the stone before she ever skied them. 1 deg , 1deg. She loves them and I am a happy man.

post #32 of 41

Jim any reason why you didn't put the DPS 99 in there?  This is a ski that for soft snow, some fresh seems to be a great choice.  

 

Soul Rider: the more I ski it, the more I love it. I had it boot high very light snow and it was a hoot! On soft groomers it ripped, again I didn't have it up to mach speeds but at moderate (skied a blue at full speed) speed it was plenty stable. very compliant in the bumps. Underfoot, this ski is pretty stable. 

post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Jim any reason why you didn't put the DPS 99 in there?  This is a ski that for soft snow, some fresh seems to be a great choice.  

Soul Rider: the more I ski it, the more I love it. I had it boot high very light snow and it was a hoot! On soft groomers it ripped, again I didn't have it up to mach speeds but at moderate (skied a blue at full speed) speed it was plenty stable. very compliant in the bumps. Underfoot, this ski is pretty stable. 
Jim must have disqualified it because it is a 99 & not a 98. I was on the 99 last season & it definitely deserves consideration in this category.

I demoed an Atomic Ritual (103 under foot) yesterday @ Sugarbush in 6 inches of new & it was a real playful ski. There definitely are way too many really good skis out there & not enough time to get on them all.
post #34 of 41
I've skied the E98, the Bone and the Mantra. I own the Bonafide. I weigh 170lbs and I found the Bonafide to be the easiest for me to bend of these three and it is really fun off piste and in powder & crud. My only complaint is the low tip that can catch on subsurface branches and sticks. I learned the hard way to take a ski with more tip rocker in the trees until the coverage is sufficient. Others have said these wide skis are "boring" on groomers but digging trenches on softer groomers on these is pretty fun.

The Mantra was fun but a bit "planky" like many Volkls I've skied. The faster I skied it the better it was. I don't find the bone to be what I would describe as "playful" but next to the Mantra it is.

I skied the E98 in icy conditions and couldn't get comfortable on it, took it back after one run so probably not a good test of it.

I would love to try the BMX98 and Prophet, they might work well for me too.
post #35 of 41
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

OK, makes sense. Was noting the poll, not later links. Then if it's gotta be 98, not a mm more or less, I'd add the Big Stix as a far superior alternative to the S3's for lighter skiers, or for any one who likes trees, bumps, tight quarters but needs some edge. No, have not skied them, but assume from reviews they are a superior version of the Watea 98's, which I liked. Also would vote for the Soul Rider, again have not tried but familiar with the Nordies and think that skiers who don't weigh 190 or charge everywhere will prefer them to either the Enforcer or the Hell n Back. 

 

Skied 4 skis today in skied out, chalky grippy off-piste snow and bumps. 

 

Elan 999

Blizzard Bonafide

Blizzard Kabookie

Head Rock n' Roll 95

 

Only one was on the list,, and it was my least favorite (Rock n' Roll was the best by a nose). 

 

I would also put a Stormrider 95 in there as well.  

post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post

 

Only one was on the list,, and it was my least favorite (Rock n' Roll was the best by a nose). 

 

Other thoughts?  You gonna put up a review thread?  Always love reading your reviews.

post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by 2time View Post

I want to mention also that last year I was on a pair of E88's. It took me 3 trips to slopes to get the right tune for that ski it also came edge high from Rossi. Also my wife is on the Temptation 88's this year and loves them I did not take a chance with those skis  I took them  right to the stone before she ever skied them. 1 deg , 1deg. She loves them and I am a happy man.

Interesting. I demoed E98 and E88 last year right from the Rossi rep at an industry demo and was completely unimpressed with the skis. Given the rave reviews here I suspected it was a bad tune (and to be honest it just felt like a bad tune, too). That's a shame.
post #38 of 41

I tihnk there is something to this tune thing in regards to the E98.

 

My first western trip to Mammoth I had no tuning issues but was skiing the factory tune.  I tuned them for my trip to Big Sky and the first day I noticed that when just cruising on relatively flat cat tracks the skis were very hooky, almost shooting me off the trail on a couple of occasions.  I took them to a tuning shop to have them look at the skis to tell me what I might have done wrong.  He told me that I hadn't detuned the tips enough and that I should detune all the way to the early rise point shown on the base of the ski.  I pulled out my stone, went to work, and had no more issues with hooking up on gentle terrain.  They were not a problem when I was on the steeps, only gentle cruising was an issue.

 

Lesson learned.

 

Rick G


Edited by rickg - 1/7/13 at 9:02pm
post #39 of 41

detune, detune, detune.....  yes! icon14.gif

post #40 of 41
Another vote for the Elan Spire/999. Quick due to the light weight, smooth due to all the metal. The Enforcer would be it's equal in the same length I think, but the length I had was too short for crud stability.

No stability issues with the Elan.
post #41 of 41
Quote:
Originally Posted by rickg View Post

I tihnk there is something to this tune thing in regards to the E98.

 

  I pulled out my stone, went to work, and had no more issues with hooking up on gentle terrain.  They were not a problem when I was on the steeps, only gentle cruising was an issue.

 

Lesson learned.

 

Rick G

 

 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

detune, detune, detune.....  yes! icon14.gif

 

I always have a Gummy handy.

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