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Volkl G30/31

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Ht-5' 8",Wt-175#
Skill Level - 8/9 (Expert Skier/Park Rider)
Length Tested 193-cm w/Marker 9.1 SC Ti bindings
Condtions - Packed Powder, Windblown,& ICE!


I just skied my G30's yesterday for the first time. As noted above, the conditions were firm and a bit icy in spots. However, there was some really nice lines of near powder conditions that were a result of the snow makers running all day. Anyhow, these skis were phenomenal. The feel on the snow was very consistent, whether it was soft or sheets of ice. They will do nice short turns, despite what the mag tests say. I do admit that when the speed and turn radius are increased, the true racing hertiage of this ski comes out. The titanium and wood core lend to a ski that is super damp and stable at speed, yet still is managable at slower speeds and shorter radius turns. NUTS!

One thing that I was particularly impressed with is that on the groomed the waist of the Vertigo (69-mm)doesn't feel that wide. They are still very quick edge to edge. Being 69-mm in the waist didn't hinder their grip either. These things are ice skates! I would definitely recommend the G30/31 to Easterners who come out west. I am convinced that these will work anywhere.

I am also particularly fond of the shape of the ski. The 105-mm shovel pulls you into the turn with little prodding from the pilot, while the 92-mm tail allows for a varied radius turn. You just don't have that locked in feeling like on some other skis. Don't get me wrong, you get all the G-Force out of these that you want, just a bit more latitude on when to stop the turn as well.

I didn't get in any bumps, so I cannot dispell nor confirm performance there.

About the length...I was told that these boards ski long, and that a 188-cm would be better for my ability and size. I felt that the 193-cm length was great for my size, ability and style. I even threw a few Heli's in the park to prove it to myself. The 193-cm size was easy to short turn, so the 188-cm must be that much easier.

Overall, for someone who knows how to carve a turn and wants to step in up to the redline a lot, these boards have all the performance you'll ever need, with some luxury and forgiveness thrown in for good measure. Reminds me of a BMW M5...Must be a German thing.

Oh, I do have one regret...that is that I bought a XX last year and waited until now to get a true one-quiver ski! Looks like I'll have some Rossi's to post on the classifieds!

Rating - ***** Five snowflakes

One last thing - I am 27 and ski like it. I love to go scary fast, and having to "work a ski" is something I enjoy, not steer away from. Just a disclaimer for my opinion on this wonder of a ski.
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post #2 of 20
Although I wound up on ATOMICS, my second favorite was the Volkl. Damn near a toss up.
I too thought they were a great ski.
I love skis that give back what you put into them. Lots of feed back but a fairly forgiving ski.
I also did the Bandit thing. I hated the x, and took xx out after one run on x. The xx seemed ok but only after seeing my life flash before me on x.
Then. thank god, tried volkl & atomic which blew away rossi's.
Question - is the G31 the replacement for G30 of 99-00 for sure?

Sail and Ski!
Look for crud, it makes u better.
post #3 of 20
I was just wondering...how are the G30 and the G31 different from the original Crossranger?
post #4 of 20
G30=G31. Volkl rounded off the tailbar for the ParkPeople. Thought that was a real good review, managing to be informative about what are subjective views due to our human filter. And addressing the 188/193 subject. Seems like East Coast would be 188, certainly able to hit the West easily, where bigger folks would go 193, especially Westerners. Though i've seen what were probably "180s" on big folk in JH carrying lots of speed. Thanks for the good review. Too bad people can't try that in binding reviews, seems like they end up as verbal "hissyfits".
post #5 of 20
Skill level 7
G30 lengths tested 178,193
I demoed these two lengths last season (among other skis) and found some interesting results: 193 This ski,to be fair was in need of a good tune(and wax) but I just got to the shop at the end of the day and the fellow said take it "as is" and try it or come back later tomorrow. Off I went the next morning on windblown and hardpack and firm groomed (no powder available) The 193 was easy enough to turn and had solid, stable grip until I hit ice (that may have been the edges) but I found it frankly a bit "planky" and not too quick edge to edge.Generally not too impressed.
178: Another shop and another mountain. They didn`t have any 188`s so here goes: soft packed groomed runs, some chopped powder, trees, deep powder, some steeps. When I first hit the chopped on fairly steep slopes I felt like a hero. Quick turns pretty good float. The same for deep powder and really manuervable in the trees. On runs I found these shorties great at pretty high speeds (for me) and very stable. They like hard edging, a light touch is not the answer. Two other members of my family tried the 178`s as well. They are both more agressive,faster skiers and about the same size as I am. They loved the G-30`s everywhere. We were all surprised at the performance packed into the 178cm length. Unless one is heavy or super aggressive I feel that this is plenty of ski. I`m sure that the 188 is fine too but for quickness in the trees etc. the 178 shines. <FONT size="1">

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post #6 of 20
Bandit Man, Thanks for the review! Just bought the G31, but settled on the 188 length. Looked at a pair of G30's at 193, but for $20 more could get the G31's. Went for the new model due to comments about the new slightly upturned tail making the ski a bit more flexible on turn shape. Now your review has me wondering if I should trade 'em in for the 193 length. I'm 5'11" and also @175 - 180lbs, level 8 mostly - good days level 9 skier, but I don't think I'm quite as aggressive as you (won't see me doing any Heli's anytime soon ). Any thoughts? My contact at the ski shop also pushed me toward the 188.

Riz: The G30/G31 supposedly shares the same sidecut as the original Cross Ranger along with similar, but not identical construction.<FONT size="1">

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post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

I was leaning towards the 193-cm, because I would rather have the slight increase in stability at speed over the 188-cm. I went through the same quandary you did. I looked at the mags, and all of the test models were 188's. I also heard that the G30/31 skis "BIG." However, upon skiing the 193-cm length, I feel good about the choice I made for my style. I wouldn't fret over your size and model. The turned up tail might really make things easier. Also, the 188-cm will probably be a bit easier in bumps and chutes. It's a wash! Just take comfort in knowing that you sticks rip, and without gimmicks!
I will admit that I was a bit hesitant about these guns, but after skiing them, I concur that they are indeed energetic and forgiving...a rare combination. In my opinion, they are easier to ski than a X-Scream Series of a similar size. I also feel that they are more stable at speed. Hope that sheds a bit more light on my original statement.
post #8 of 20
Ht-6ft, Wt 220, expert skier, aggressive

I posted a query about mid-fat skis last week and I had a chance to demo the G30s in both 188cm and 193cm this weekend at Killington. I compared them head-to-head and against my 204cm K2 GS Race boards.

Both sizes were great, but they felt surprisingly different from each other. The 193s felt like a big pair of GS-based skis (longer than 204) - extremely fast and stable, great edge hold. Quick turns took a little work, but the skis definitely responded. Moguls took some effort.

The 188s felt a little quicker. I was worried that they would feel too short, but they were amazingly stable at speed. They really tracked well making very high speed GS turns over rough terrain (end of the day on a holiday weekend - very choppy). I didn't detect much of a sacrifice in edge hold on ice, even at my size. Moguls were still a bit of work (not as much as the 193s) with the wide shovels and powerful tails (I understand the G31 has a rounder tail that would make disengaging the carve in moguls a little easier).

In summary, the 188s felt a bit more versatile for Eastern conditions, where the only true expert descents usually involve bumps, tight trees, or both. The 193s would probably be my choice for wide open slopes or bowls. They might also provide more float in softer snow (we didn't have any of that).

Hope everyone has a great season!
post #9 of 20
I finally got a chance to try out G31 in 188cm on hardpack.

Skier: 5'8" 160lbs, level 8-9 skier who likes stable skis with lots of sharp rebound that are not too damp (=hate most Salomon skis).

Conditions: groomers, ice, piles of corn, icy bumps

Exceptionally good hold on ice. Lively and nice rebound with damping that does not kill snow feel - feels very much like a good race ski underfoot.

It was very easy to make short turns and even pushing them hard was rewarded with nice rebound unlike with some other midfat/allmountain skis. Could be skied both old style and new style. Good hold on ice. Quick from edge to edge, like they were way narrower than 69mm.

Doing longer turns was a treat as they responded precisely to edging and felt very stable underfoot - piles of snow, ice patches, no difference and with vulcan death grip on hard stuff. On softer surface they felt light and lively and gave hints of good floating in piled up snow...

In bumps (zipper line) tips felt a bit stiff when going fall line, but very manageable. If skied weight centered-forward, they should work fine for any decent skier. Not a bump ski, but enjoyable in bumps when encountered.

Best one pair quiver I've skied on so far - I'm definitely going to buy a pair of these.
post #10 of 20
OK all,
Got a question for y'all. I am 5'11", 145-150 lb, level 7-8 aggressive finesse skier (a lot of balance from rock climbing). I have a pair of V30's in 183. In this length, the skis are only effective at moderate speed, I don't have the weight to bend them at slow speeds. I'm looking into getting a pair of G31's for more manueverability, but not sure what length to go with. I was thinking of 168, or 173. Because of some leg problems, my binding setup is unique and as a result, I can't demo ski's. Any suggestions?

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post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 

In my opinion, the G31 is one of the burliest of the mid-fats out there. When I said that it was easy to short turn, I didn't mean that it was effortless. Short, explosive turns are very possible, but with some aggressive input. The G31 is not very dynamic at slower speeds (in my opinion). For slow speed short turns, I would steer you to other midfats, like a MOD X, T3 Epic, or Salomon X-Scream. The G31 is a great all-mtn stick for very agressive all-mtn. skiers. Your skill level seems right, but how much do you want to work a ski?

Just my thoughts!
post #12 of 20
I am 5'9" and about 130lbs, I just bought a pair of G 31's in 178. I am about a 7-maybe 8 skier on the east coast. Will I be able to handle these things for fall-line, short radius turns??? Please help before I mount these babies up!
post #13 of 20
5’ 11”
180 lbs
level 8 – 9 skier
Volkl Vertigo G31’s – 193 cm length with Tyrolia PS 9 Racing bindings
Sidecut: 105/69/92
Tested at Copper Mountain & A-Basin

Finally got out on my new G31’s last week!!!

Marketing niche:
Volkl markets this ski as an all-mountain expert level ski. This is the current version of the old Cross Ranger model. It shares the same sidecut, and wood core construction, but has the new “3D sidecut technology” and vibration dampeners. Call it all-mountain, mid-fat, freeride or whatever, it’s meant to be skied all over the mountain in every type of condition.

Overall impressions:
This ski hits its marketing niche right on the nose. It shows its GS race heritage in its ability to hold an edge in hard snow conditions and its love of speed. It’s the first mid-fat design that I have skied that gives me that “railed” sensation that I used to get on my old GS Rossi G7’s and Dynastar X9’s. It loves the big GS turn at high speed. It is surprisingly at home in powder with good float for a somewhat narrow-waisted mid-fat with the stiffness to handle most cut-up crud. Being relatively stiff, especially in the tail, it isn’t very flexible in turn shape and has to be worked to make short radius turns. The stiff tail can be very tricky in the bumps. Like every shaped ski I have tried, it doesn’t like to run flat and gets a little squirrelly on flat schusses on catwalks.

Snow conditions:
Groomed powder to packed powder to scraped hardpack:
The G31 really shined in the softer corduroy, but I was astounded at the edge grip once the hills got scraped clean, especially in comparison to my old Viper 10.2’s. The ski’s really gave me great confidence to lay ‘em over and carve some nice arcs knowing that the edge would hold. Even when I got into the back seat, the stiff tails would allow me to pop out of the turn and get back on top. While the skis have good rebound energy, they are decidedly GS in nature and lack the lightness and pop to make quick slalom turns or short swing turns. I also noticed a tendency to get ‘locked’ into a GS turn shape, especially if I got behind the ski. They also performed much better once they got above the 20 mph mark. They need a little speed to get going and are not responsive at slower speeds. This ski will skid as well as carve.

7 – 9 ” of fresh powder to cut-up powder and powder/crud over crusted powder:
Was blessed with some freshies last week to ski Copper Bowl. Was just blown away at the difference between my old Viper’s and the G31’s. Amazing what an extra 5mm of waist width will do for your ability to float. Again, the skis were awesome! Just lay them over and let ‘em carve. I also did some glade skiing in Spaulding Bowl and, despite the skis reluctance to go short on the groomed, they did much better on quick turns in the trees. In the crud that followed by lunchtime, the skis still handled well, their stiffness blasting through the crud. I did notice again that they liked a little speed in order to perform well. I had a chance to take the skis down Main Street at Arapahoe Basin when it opened for a brief period. Extremely variable conditions with powder to corned, heavy powder to heavy crud and hardpack. Again, the skis handled everything thrown at them.

First, a caveat: bumps are probably my least favorite place on the mountain. I am not the greatest of bump skiers. That said, if the G31’s have a failing, the bumps are it. The ski is too stiff, especially in the tail to be an effective bump ski. I found it manageable, but it took a lot of work and you really have to stay on top of the ski to keep the tail from getting caught. When I kept forward and really drove the tips, the skis got me through the bumps nicely, but if I got rocked on my heels, look out! These are not zipper line skis.

Race Course:
While not exactly the most demanding of race conditions, I did take a couple of runs on the NASTAR course at Copper. Unfortunately for this type of test, the course was freshly groomed, so I really can't say just how this ski would perform on a more rutted, icy track. With the softer snow, and a typical NASTAR course more geared toward GS type turns, these skis were fast and a blast to ski in the gates.

The G31 is a great all-mountain ski that will perform admirably in almost any frontside or backside situation. If you really ski all over your favorite mountain, this ski should be at the top of your demo list! While it is pushed more at the western skier who has powder to ski, I also think it has the edge grip to be a solid choice for most eastern skiers as well, especially if you ski it a bit longer (I was told to get the 188 length, but opted for the 193 for its stability at speed). Like most shaped skis on the market today, if you want more stability at speed opt to go longer with this ski; if shorter radius, quicker turns are more of your priority, go shorter.

P.S. uuuhh...also, they don't ski over rocks real well (man that hurts on a brand new pair of skis. Guess I know what "Natural Alpine Conditions Exist" means now!)

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post #14 of 20
length skied:188cm
weight: 175lbs
skill: 8 (in the beginning of the long but fun way to 9)
style: aggressive

Strange how people's findings differ on short turns and G31s...
I felt that X-screams series is not only sluggish (I propably don't ski smoothly enough) and overly damp, but also slower from edge to edge than G31s as G31 reacts more precisely to edging and has got sharper rebound. IMO on G31s it is easy to make short turns if you know how to make use of rebound - once you have made ski flex it's like trampoline, timing / rythm.
Making the grippy and somewhat stiff tails skid in bumps is not an easy task as they get caught immediately if skier falls too much back. Tips are not as soft as with some easier skis and that reduces margin of errors too. I'll most propably ski bumps with them now and then and I'm sure it won't be so much as fun as with softer skis but fun anyway.<FONT size="1">

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post #15 of 20

i just got a pair of the cross rangers and i am a beginner. will these skis turn good for me at slower speeds?

post #16 of 20



wtf u doing skiing such old skis. throw them away and sell your EPO if you have to to get some good modern skis (aka blizzards).


In all reality, what are you doing on those skis?


post #17 of 20

drool.gif mmmmmmm....brains!

post #18 of 20

Holy mother of resurrections.

post #19 of 20
Originally Posted by Bandit Man View Post

One thing that I was particularly impressed with is that on the groomed the waist of the Vertigo (69-mm)doesn't feel that wide. They are still very quick edge to edge. Being 69-mm in the waist didn't hinder their grip either.

Funny how 69mm was considered wide!  Now I consider my 80mm AC30s on the narrow side and am thinking about getting some 98s.



post #20 of 20
Originally Posted by lance-armstrong View Post

i just got a pair of the cross rangers and i am a beginner. will these skis turn good for me at slower speeds?

Depending on the length, they might be fine at first?  We really need more information?  It was a great ski, but now it's a dated design and eventually you'll want something newer.

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