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post #1 of 28
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This from Rossignol as of today: The T-Power Viper which impressed me so much last spring is to be marketed this season as the T-Power Cobra. The tip-waist-tail dimensions are 103-65-93. The next step up is stiffer but with the same dimensions and will be marketed as the T-Power Viper. Both of these are all-mountain skis, says Rossi. The only other ski in the line is the competition slalom ski called, I think, the T-Power 9S Deviator. The Safir of last spring apparently is no longer in the line. My promise to buy the T-Power Viper must be amended: I will be buying the T-Power Cobra. For Eastern conditions on narrow, gnarly trails, I think I can't do better. I am remebering, however, that the demo in 160 also performed in new eastern powder at least as well as my Atomic 9.20 BetaRide in a 170 and with wider dimensions.
post #2 of 28
According to this site (http://www.theskistop.com/choose.html) the T-Power Cobra is 105-72-92 and the T-Power Viper is 103-65-93. But I suppose that this site has last year's shapes.

Anyway, I have been skiing on Rossi Viper X 9.9 in 184cm for the last 3 years (I am 5'7'', 160 lbs and 38 years old). I love those skis, but I have nothing against going even shorter, so I will take a close look at the T-Power Viper (167cm).

My favorite skiing style is cross-line carving on wide open runs (so much for skiing in the East). Are the T-Power Vipers good at carving? I know they are great in short-medium turns, but does anybody have an opinion about long turns, carving, stability.

Thanks,
Tom
post #3 of 28
That's really strange news from Rossi, since:

- this spring's STN lists a T Power Viper, Cobra, and Saphir;

- this fall's Michel Pratte catalog has both the T Power Viper and Saphir; and,

- that web site's chart (clearly identified as 2000-01) lists a T Power Viper, Cobra, and Saphir.
post #4 of 28
Thread Starter 
Fascinating! Either I wasn't listening, or I wasn't hearing correctly, or I did hear correctly and the guy who should know didn't - or whatever. I'll recheck and get back to you<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by oboe (edited August 31, 2000).]</FONT>
post #5 of 28
Oboe,
Isn't it actually great that when we demoed these boards last year, our description of how they ski was very similar to the ski magazines ratings? I'm also excited that you are getting onto some Rossi's. People can say what they want but Rossi's are really user friendly and hold up great. I read about the Cobra and am going with the Viper cause of my weight and also am going to get into some recreational racing again.

For the guy who asked about carving, ya, you can really stand on them. Real smooth and hold good also. I'm going for the 174. In fact they should be in next week. I am putting some Marker S.C. Turbos on them. Hey, I got a question for Pierre of Johnathan S. Should I put lifters on and if so, how much?

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If it holds snow-It can be skied!
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 
Jonathan, would you please direct me to that website. When I speak to Rossi again, I want to have that informatin directly in front of me. Thanx!
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
Jonathan, I went to www.mprattesport.com and I found nothing on any T-Power ski. Would you please help me locate the site where you saw those T-Powers?
post #8 of 28
Lars: If you're mounting a pair of Marker SC bindings, then those already have about 11mm of lift (in addition whatever lift the binding itself provides), which should be just fine.

Oboe: Looks like the Michel Pratte web site still has last year's skis, even though the catalog (all four copies I received!) has the new skis. This is from Tom's post though, and seems pretty clear: http://www.theskistop.com/segmentskibig.jpg My guess is that much of the confusion stems from Rossi's use of the Bandit, Viper, and Cobra to describe multiple skis that are very dissimilar.

Anyone: Although I don't think the new T Power series if for *everyone*, I do think the new shorty SL platform has great potential as an all-mountain ski for many people. I was very impressed with my Atomic BetaRace 9.16 last season, and not just in sl courses, bumps, and general quick turning, but also (relative to traditional sl race skis) in powder (yes, that did happen at a race once) and soft mush. I kept thinking last season that if you soften it up a bit (hmm, sounds like the Viper) add a little width in the waist (hmm, sounds like the Cobra), then you'd have a great all-mountain ski...<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by Jonathan Shefftz (edited August 31, 2000).]</FONT>
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
Jonathan, thanks for the link. I have printed out that page and will run it over to Rossignol tomorrow or Monday. Let me repeat what they told me: The T-Power line for this season has three models: The race ski, the Viper and the Cobra. The Viper and the Cobra have the same dimensions. The Cobra is more flexible than the Viper. That's what they said. I will show them the print-out and ask for an explanation. I appreciate your bringing it to my attention. This all came about when I called Rossi in connection with an article I am writing about short skis. One of the people I will interview - a ski instructor who uses and advocates short skis -says she has a connection with Elan and wants me to speak with them as well, which I shall. I spoke to Rossi first and am only reporting what I was told. When I manage to clear this up, I'll be back with what I hope are the facts of the matter. Hey, I'm trying! Again, thanks for directing me to that site.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Well, here's the latest I got from Rossi today: There are three models in the T-Power line, and they are the 9S slalom race ski, the Viper and the Cobra. The 9S, the Viper and the Cobra have identical dimensions. Of, course, I asked, "What about the Saphir?" Answer: "Oh, the Saphir! [They pronounce it the same as "saphire"] That's the womens' version of the Cobra." A following conversation indicated that the "women's version of the Cobra" - meaning the Saphir - also has wider dimensions than the Cobra. So I apolgize for the incorrect inference I drew from the initial conversation, and now I'm going to leave this alone. When the Rossi site is up and the catalogs are out, I'll see what there is to see. Thanks for your input, it is appreciated.<FONT size="1">

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post #11 of 28
just wanted to revive the oldest post on this section of the forum.
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 
Oh, my! Does this bring it all back! Now things have changed a bit more, but hey, they're all still good skis. Since my infatuation with the short Rossi T-Powers, I also have become disappointed with their performance in deep, heavy stuff, so my first addition to the "quiver" was the K2 Mod 7/8 [now the Axis-no-X] and finally, the best, most versatile and most fun ski I've ever been on, the Rossi Bandit XX. This is great! I feel like a kid in a candy store!
post #13 of 28
I just bought a pair of the Rossi T-Power Viper X skis at the end of last season. I'm itching to get out this year and try them out. I'm a lifetime (40 years +)skier and have always skied mainly groomed and from all that I've read I should love these skis. However, a trip to Utah may be in the picture for this season. Any thought on how this ski will do in powder? Should I plan on renting different skis for the very different conditions out there?
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
Truth is, Vabocat, that's where the T-Power line stops - deeper natural snow. Sure, they'll work fine in ankle deep powder - ALL skis will do that. But get into foot deep powder, or worse, foot deep HEAVY natural snow, and the T-Powers are fish out of water. A few seasons ago, Vermont was blessed with a winter of abundant snow. When I found out what misery awaited skiing that with the T-Powers, I went out and bought some K2 Mod 7/8's - now called the K2 Axis [no X]. Then,last year, I was jaw-boned into trying the Rossignol Bandit XX in 177 - HATED it! Then they put me onto the same ski in 170 cm length - LOVED it! Bought those guys, and now I'll tell you they're the all time greatest, in all conditions. The only place the T-Powers are better is on real boilerplate ice. So, if you plan to ski in the west, either get another pair of skis, or rent some mid-fats out west. If you try the Bandit XX, don't go too long - no need. I weigh 150 and love that ski in 170 cm, so there's a take-off point for you.

Good luck, and please let us know what you eventually do about this.
post #15 of 28
I live in Montana and own a pair of last year's T-Power Viper Xs. Great ski....I skied on than more than any of my skis last year, but they are too narrow for powder skiing. If its not a pain I would take them to Utah for days you're skiing groomed runs or bumps. On powder/crud days rent something like the Bandit XX to maximize the experience.

By the way, I hope you don't sit back much because the Viper X will punish you if you do.
post #16 of 28
Hey Rio - I'm not picking on you, but does anyone else find the oft-repeated phrase that a ski "will punish you" as odd/funny as I do? Somehow, for me, it conjurs up this image of an anthropomorphized ski in leather and studs holding a whip and threating dire consequences if I don't get forward. (...cue Fox for further elaboration of this concept...)

I've been skiing for 30 years and have never once had a ski "punish me". What exactly does it mean anyway - it stops turning if you sit back while at high edge angles? Well, this isn't exactly front page news.

Sorry for the interruption - I just had to get this off my chest after seeing this overly used phrase in probably a quarter of all ski reviews I've read in the past year or so.

Tom / PM
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Physics Man, you scientific types can be soooooo literal! But you rank high on the imagery scale [as I think Fox Hat would agree]. Some skis are "forgiving" if you get in the back seat - they just let their bras slip off, cradle you in their, uh, shovels, stroke your helmet [or Turtle Fur hat, as the case may be] and say, "Oh, it's ok! It's ok! You poor thing . . . You poor, poor thing . . ."
post #18 of 28
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Originally posted by oboe:
...they just let their bras slip off, cradle you in their, uh, shovels, stroke your helmet [or Turtle Fur hat, as the case may be] and say, "Oh, it's ok! It's ok! You poor thing . . . You poor, poor thing . . ."
LOL, Oboe! Good one!

Tom / PM

PS - I'm sure you noticed how I carefully selected the starting point of the above quotation to get the attention of people who use "Today's Posts" to decide which threads to read. [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #19 of 28
Actually, I wanted to say 'Slap you ass' & probably should have. They definitely have a tail that loads up easily and if you sit back after carving a turn on the back of the skis they will shoot out from under you leaving you sitting on you ass looking like a total moron. (Of course this description is from observations of others & does not describing anything that could ever happen to me.)

[ September 30, 2002, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Rio ]
post #20 of 28
Now, that's language anybody can understand!

Tom / PM
post #21 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by oboe:
Truth is, Vabocat, that's where the T-Power line stops - deeper natural snow. Sure, they'll work fine in ankle deep powder - ALL skis will do that. But get into foot deep powder, or worse, foot deep HEAVY natural snow, and the T-Powers are fish out of water. A few seasons ago, Vermont was blessed with a winter of abundant snow. When I found out what misery awaited skiing that with the T-Powers, I went out and bought some K2 Mod 7/8's - now called the K2 Axis [no X].
Hi,

Long time on-and-off lurker, but first time poster. I've had a different experience with the T-Power line than you, oboe. I bought a pair of the T-Power Viper S in a 160 length halfway through last season and skied them all over the mountain in all conditions here in Steamboat. I loved them in powder, especially in the trees. I've never been on such a quick and maneuverable ski. Granted, I haven't skied them in heavy snow, but I have skied them quite a bit in deep snow. This is the shortest ski I've ever skied (by 23 cm), and I've never enjoyed a ski so much in any and all conditions.
post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
Oh, how I envy you! Steamboat Trees is even your very NAME! Sure, those are nifty little skis in what you know as "Champagne Powder" - but, hell, what isn't?! You got it GOOD! Here in the east - and, I understand, in the Sierras and the Pacific Northwest - we have snow that can't reasonably be described using the word "champagne". It's more like, say. . . setting concrete . . . heavy mashed potatoes . . . well, you get the idea. My discovery of midfats came in a year whe we in Vermont had plenty of snow, but not infrequently heavy snow. I probably am a far less skilled skier that you, Steamboat Trees, and I just could not navagate in the foot-deep heavy snow with the T-Powers. Since getting onto the midfats, however, I can get through just about anything! My skis of choice these days, if you haven't noticed from other of my posts on this wonderful web site, are Rossignol Bandit XX in 170 cm. When the conditions are true ice, I haul out the T-Powers and glad I got 'em.

Keep on posting! Welcome aboard! Please check out our EpicSki Academy Planning Room and let me know what you think!

[ October 31, 2002, 05:05 AM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #23 of 28
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Originally posted by oboe:
Oh, how I envy you! Steamboat Trees is even your very NAME! Sure, those are nifty little skis in what you know as "Champagne Powder" - but, hell, what isn't?! You got it GOOD! Here in the east - and, I understand, in the Sierras and the Pacific Northwest - we have snow that can't reasonably be described using the word "champagne". It's more like, say. . . setting concrete . . . heavy mashed potatoes . . . well, you get the idea.
Hi,

I never thought the name I chose would indicate Steamboat Trees. Actually, I meant it to be a little shorthand for Steamboat resident. You're right, I do have it good here, and I don't take that for granted! I also think you're right in that much of the reason I think these Vipers are great all-mountain skis is that our snow really is that light. I just wanted to respond to all the reviews I've read saying these skis are not even to be considered in powder and crud. It's not just that I ski them in those conditions; I prefer them (yes, in a 160 length) over any ski I've ever skied in those conditions.

Oboe, I suspect you're wrong in saying that you're a far less skilled skier than me. Your T-Power Viper S's might be your ski of choice in all conditions if you were here, too.

Cheers
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Truth is, when I was last at Steamboat [about four or five years ago, I think it was]we did run into some chopped crud on one of the hills [Buddy's Run, maybe?] that was difficult. Also, on Nelson's Run, we had some "set up" powder which my son handled quite easily and I didn't. I was skiing on 178 cm K2 Fours that trip.

Also, I really like the feel of the Banit XX's over the T-Powers - seriously! Remember, I own and ski both, so I figure I ought to know what I like. How can I desribe it? You have two girlsfriends, see? [c'mon, it's just pretend [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img] ] They both bring you much pleasure. One is a ballet dancer. The other is more voluptuous but still athletic. Obviously, you'd opt for the ballet dancer and I'd opt for the other one, if they were skis. This is for comparing skis, ok? It has NOTHING TO DO with real life, in which I might go for . . . gee! They're all so delicious! I can't decide!
post #25 of 28
Quote:
Originally posted by stmbtres:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by oboe:
Truth is, Vabocat, that's where the T-Power line stops - deeper natural snow. Sure, they'll work fine in ankle deep powder - ALL skis will do that. But get into foot deep powder, or worse, foot deep HEAVY natural snow, and the T-Powers are fish out of water. A few seasons ago, Vermont was blessed with a winter of abundant snow. When I found out what misery awaited skiing that with the T-Powers, I went out and bought some K2 Mod 7/8's - now called the K2 Axis [no X].
Hi,

Long time on-and-off lurker, but first time poster. I've had a different experience with the T-Power line than you, oboe. I bought a pair of the T-Power Viper S in a 160 length halfway through last season and skied them all over the mountain in all conditions here in Steamboat. I loved them in powder, especially in the trees. I've never been on such a quick and maneuverable ski. Granted, I haven't skied them in heavy snow, but I have skied them quite a bit in deep snow. This is the shortest ski I've ever skied (by 23 cm), and I've never enjoyed a ski so much in any and all conditions.
</font>[/quote]Hey stmbtres:

Can I ask your height/weight? I just picked up a new pair of T- Power Viper S Twin Deck in a 167. I'm 6' and 175 lbs. I demo'ed the 174 last season and although I loved the ski, I felt I could go shorter. I was toying with the 160, but settled on 167. Just wanted to see how that compares to others on this ski.

Thanks

Mike
post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 
Ex-New Yorker in Montreal, I'm 150 pounds, 5'8" and ski the 160. I've also demoed this in longer lengths, and they're ALL good, but the 160 is where this kind of ski is supposed to be for me. On the other hand, I demoed the new T-Power Cobra X which is wider and more flexible, and only 167 was available. . . butI loved it! I'm not sure I'd go shorter in that particular ski, but given the chance to demo, I'd like to find out.

At your height and weight, the 167 is about right in the T-Power Viper S.
post #27 of 28
I'm 6'1", 180 lbs (OK maybe 190) and I've been on the original TPower Viper from 2001 in 167cm. I think that is the same as the TPower Viper S without the twin deck plate. I really like that ski for hard snow and moguls, but for soft snow I want a bigger wider ski.

John
post #28 of 28
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Originally posted by exnyerinmontreal:
Hey stmbtres:

Can I ask your height/weight? I just picked up a new pair of T- Power Viper S Twin Deck in a 167. I'm 6' and 175 lbs. I demo'ed the 174 last season and although I loved the ski, I felt I could go shorter. I was toying with the 160, but settled on 167. Just wanted to see how that compares to others on this ski.

Thanks

Mike
Hi Mike,

I'm 5'10" and 180 lbs. A summer of mountain biking has gotten me in shape, but apparently hasn't caused me to lose weight. I think I was a little lighter last ski season (and I still hope to get a little lighter before this one!). I know a lot of people put so much stock in weight/ski length comparisons, but personally I'm finding that to be not so important. This past season, I saw so many top ski instructors, of every size, skiing 160s. And they're not just skiing that length because it's an easy length on which to teach.

Of course, I'm also a firm believer that what's right for me may be absolutely wrong for you. As Oboe writes, his favorite ski and mine may be absolutely different, for good reasons. For instance, I've never liked skiing mid-fats. I demoed a bunch of skis last season. So many people here love skiing Atomics short, but I couldn't find a pair of Atomics that I liked at all. They're great skis, just not for me. Same idea about different favorite ski lengths for different people. I didn't find any difficulties skiing a 160 vs. 167 length, and I found lots of advantages skiing a 160 (increased fun!!!). You're mileage may vary.

I know it's not always possible, but I think it's best if you can demo the exact ski in the exact length before you buy. Those magazine reviews really are just personal opinions, and those opinions vary so much from person to person.

By the way, the most difficult thing about having 160s is figuring out how to carry them. They're almost too small to lift over your shoulder, and it looks a little weird holding them between thumb and index finger [img]smile.gif[/img] .

How's that for a long-winded response to a simple question!

Cheers
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