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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

I just purchased some "Bones" (98mm underfoot) and need some help with bindings. I'm pretty much set on a set of Head Mojos or Tyrolia Peaks (also researched the Marker Griffons and Look 12s). I like the Peaks because they are relatively inexpensive, have good reviews, and the brake will fit without much tweaking. I weigh about 170 lbs and am an intermediate/advanced skier. My current skis (K2 Recons, about 5 years old) are set at a DIN of 7 (Marker MX 12, came mounted on the K2) and I've never had any problems with them pre-releasing or not releasing at all. I ski pretty cautiously and my feet pretty much never leave the snow.

 

So after doing a little research I was hoping some of you guys could help answer a couple of questions...

1. Are the Mojo 12 and Peak 12 the EXACT same binding, sans paint/color scheme? Everything I have read indicates the answer is yes.

2. I've read a comment about the AERO toe in the Peak 15s and the LX toe in the Peak 12s. Can someone explain the difference? Or better yet, is there any reason for a skier who does not need a DIN higher than 12 to go for a DIN 15 binding because of the AERO toe design?

 

Thanks for the read. Any other binding advice you have is appreciated.

post #2 of 29
Thread Starter 

shameless bump...

post #3 of 29

Sorry you didn't get any responses. Buying a better binding isn't always about a higher DIN, it is about a better housing which gives you a more laterally rigid binding and a better interface. The Peak12 is a fine choice and one of the better 12 DIN bindings, the 15 will be better. For what you say about your size and skiing style, it should be enough for you. 

post #4 of 29

1. Yes.

 

2. The Aero toe is a high end race toe -- as in, the same toe design that Tyrolia uses in its race bindings, including the ones that you see on the World Cup (although those have more metal than the 15-DIN toe).  It does a better job of retention than the consumer model, and will likely be more durable to boot.

post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the input. I just bought the 12s for $110 shipped. I think I got a good deal and the best deal I saw on the 15s was about $200. One of those "80+% solution for 50% of the cost" decisions. I'll be back and let you know how I like the new setup... but unfortunately I won't be hitting the slopes til early Feb.

post #6 of 29

I actually saw some new Bonafides mounted with Marker M51's yesterday...you are in a better situation than that guy. 

post #7 of 29
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I actually saw some new Bonafides mounted with Marker M51's yesterday...you are in a better situation than that guy. 

I'm surprised that the heels have not exploded yet.
post #8 of 29

phil mounted mine with turntables- sweet setup...... thanks phil!

post #9 of 29
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phil mounted mine with turntables- sweet setup...... thanks phil!

Miss ya, bud. Look for Lee out on the hill at Okemo. See you back on Tahoe?

post #10 of 29

Hi,

I am actually in the same boat: I have purchased Blizzard Bonafide in size 180 and now looking for the bindings.

About myself:

male, 39, been skiing since 20s, probably in intermediate/advanced category, skiing everything (except bumps), like to go fast.

I am about 195 lbs, 6' probably with my boots and bag above 200 lbs.

I am thinking about these bindings:

 

1. Marker Griffons 110

2. Salomon STH 12 100

3. Look PX 12 wide (I think they are 100)

4. Look Pivot 14 XXL (they are at 115)

 

I am actually leaning toward Marker Griffons, as it was a suggestion from local ski shop, but I have a concerns that they are made from plastic and been almost 200 lbs, I might just crash them as soon as I go off-piste, another rumor I've heard that these binding are squeaking...

Another suggestion was to go with Salomon STH which has some metal and better durability vs. Look PX 12. (I know that Pivot is probably the best in this category, but also the most expensive and that why it is at the last place)

Could anybody advise about these choices?

Also, I don't think I would really go over the DIN of 12/13, since I am currently using DIN 8 and not really sure that I will ever get to DIN 10.

 

thank you,

 

Oleg

post #11 of 29

Any of those will be fine, seriously.  Anything beyond that is a question of warranty (I believe that Blizzard may double your warranty if you mount Markers, but check with them to be sure) and personal preference.  I seriously doubt that the STH has more metal than the Griffon.

post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by TheDad View Post

Any of those will be fine, seriously.  Anything beyond that is a question of warranty (I believe that Blizzard may double your warranty if you mount Markers, but check with them to be sure) and personal preference.  I seriously doubt that the STH has more metal than the Griffon.

+1.  They all will be fine.  Don't overthink it.  Among those, price and looks are probably the most relevant decision points.  Pivot 14s would be overkill.

 

Or extended warranty. . . didn't know that Blizzi extends the warranty if you use Markers.  That's cool. FWIW, I think that the Griffs with red and black trim look great on the 12-13 Bones.

 

All of the above are proven models.  Don't get hung up on micro-analysis of amount of metal v. plastic, blah, blah.  If you are so aggro that you break a binding either (a) you'll get it replaced under warranty or (b) you got your money's worth.

post #13 of 29

Yes, I guess you all correct, I will go with Marker Griffons, hope it will last.

P.S. Look Pivot or Rossi FKS most likely:

a. overkill

b. overpriced (for my needs)

c. not color coordinated with Bonafides

d. too bad neither one is made in gray, red or white

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by LewyM View Post

didn't know that Blizzi extends the warranty if you use Markers.

 

I'm not sure that they do.  Usually, ski companies extend warranties for co-branding bindings, and Marker is as close as Blizzard gets.  Again, I'd check.

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

Yes, I guess you all correct, I will go with Marker Griffons, hope it will last.

P.S. Look Pivot or Rossi FKS most likely:

a. overkill

b. overpriced (for my needs)

c. not color coordinated with Bonafides

d. too bad neither one is made in gray, red or white

The color combos on some of these bindings are hideous. What ever happened to simple color schemes?   I like the Markers but they color,and graphics are just plain ugly.  Call me a poser or whatever you like, I don't care. 

post #16 of 29

There is no warranty extension if you use Marker bindings.  Marker makes some bindings for Blizzard and Markers are used on the demo skis but that's it.

post #17 of 29
Dawgcatching had some deals going. Check out his site.
post #18 of 29

Hello,

 

I had received my Blizzard Bonafide 180 yesterday and really happy about that.

Here is my question, I have noticed that skis don't have any marks where to install the bindings (for example Volk Mantra shows where to install bindings) and what offset, is it normal?

Also, I am going to install Marker Griffons 110 on these skis and wondering if someone could suggest a ski store for this job (somehow, I am not sure that REI would do it right).

I live in San Francisco Bay Area about 20 mi south from San Francisco, so I would consider any store in SF or around.

 

Thank you in advance,

 

Oleg


Edited by Oleg S - 2/27/13 at 11:28am
post #19 of 29
If I recall correctly, the binding reference line is a yellow hash mark on the sidewall near the serial number.
post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post

Hello,

 

I had received my Blizzard Bonafide 180 yesterday and really happy about that.

Here is my question, I have noticed that skis don't have any marks where to install the bindings (for example Volk Mantra shows where to install bindings) and what offset, is it normal?

Also, I am going to install Marker Griffons 110 on these skis and wondering if someone could suggest a ski store for this job (somehow, I am not sure that REI would do it right).

I live in San Francisco Bay Area about 20 mi south from San Francisco, so I would consider any store in SF or around.

 

Thank you in advance,

 

Oleg

 

I am also on the peninsula.    Often you are at the mercy of the individual tech who's going to do your skis.

You can try helm in san mateo if you want local.  They are ski-focused. Also Cal Ski company in Berkeley if you're willing to drive a distance in the bay area.

Of if you have time, you can get it done in Tahoe.  You can potentially get this done in an hour (or at least ready by next morning), and many shops are open afternoon/late.  Of course it's better if you are not asking to get a rushjob on a busy fri-sunday.

post #21 of 29

REI is fine.  This is not a complex mount.  Helm too.  Even Any Mountain can get it done.

post #22 of 29
Marker toes are horrible. Smaller elastic travel than all the other bindings in its class. Great AT toe, but you can get a much better alpine toes from other brands. Really, from that list they are the worst.

The FKS/Pivots rule because they have great elastic travel. They have very smooth release, low height, no track to move around and bombproof. The beauty of elastic travel is that I can keep my FKSes at lower din than my markers and never prerelease.

The downside of FKS/Pivots are brakes. If you want to use inserts and swap the bindings around to different ski widths it's hard to source the brakes, and it takes a while to swap them.

Now the STH with driver toe and Tyrolia Peak/Head Mojo/4frnt Deadbolt 15/18(exactly the same) are probably the best "compromise". They perform very well in the real world. I went to deadbolt 15 being fed up with FKS brakes and I am just as happy. They are very easy to click in, in powder, and they have very smooth release without any prerelease.

The Peak/Mojo 12 has a full diagonal toe vs race toe on the 15/18 series. Tyrolia says the race toe requires 2x the horizontal force to release vertically. Good if you want that...
post #23 of 29

So are there any functional differences between the STH Driver, Mojo, and Peak, specifically on the toe design?  I'm afraid I don't understand if they're exactly the same, or mostly the same.  Perhaps someone can explain?

post #24 of 29
Salomon is one toe and tyrolia, head and 4frnt are another. Tyrolia, head and 4frnt are 100% the same bindings. I really don't know if salomon or tyrolia are better, but they are both great. I doubt there's difference.

I actually have an extra pair of brand new deadbolts 15. I got them for $200 with 98mm brakes thanks to a shipping error. Want them?
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by daught View Post

Tyrolia, head and 4frnt are 100% the same bindings.

 

And Fischer and Elan -- even Amplid -- are made by Tyrolia too.

 

That said, not all Tyrolias are the same.  I prefer the Aero (race) toe for its more durable construction. All Tyrolia alpine bindings with a DIN of at least 15 use them, and certain of the 13 and 14s.

post #26 of 29
If you're around #200, the 15 DIN Tyrolias are great.
post #27 of 29

thank you all for your suggestions,

I think I will go with Salomon STH 12 / STH 14 driver, depends on the deal I can find (I think, STH 12 driver can be bough for as much as $180).

 

Oleg

post #28 of 29

Has anyone had Salomon STH 12 100 mounted on these skis? What is your experience with it? Does brake width 100 fit?

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by milan View Post

Has anyone had Salomon STH 12 100 mounted on these skis? What is your experience with it? Does brake width 100 fit?

 

I mounted a few pairs of Bonafides with Salomon STH bindings.  I mounted them using boots as small as 25.5 up to 28.5 on ski lengths from 170 to 187 without any issues.

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