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Holiday Valley, NY Snowmaking Capacity and Cheap Nearby Lodging

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 

Hello, 

 

I had reservations in the Cannan Valley of WV December 28th and 29th and I think I am going to pull the plug and cancel heading down there since I don't feel like it is worth the 5 hour drive and money to ski 5 runs at Cannan and Timberline.

 

The next best option from Columbus, OH looks like Holiday Valley in NY. Right now they have just a few runs open but, starting Thursday night through the rest of the 10-day forecast is calling for around-the-clock snow making temps with some chances of snow showers each day.

 

I have never been to Holiday Valley, but what kind of snow making capacity do they have? Will they be able to seriously crank out the snow and get a good portion of their terrain open pretty quickly if it stays cold? For the reasons mentioned above, I don't really want to ski 5 icey runs with a gazillion people.

 

Also, the lodging in Ellicottville is pretty expensive. Does anybody have any cheap lodging recommendations within about a half-hour of the resort?

 

Thanks!      

post #2 of 26

I was in BUF on Thursday and it was 50f.  Unless they get a big lake efffect dump before the 28th, I think I'd pass.

post #3 of 26

       Check this place if you wish. It's directly across the street from the Sunrise chair, mabe 150 strides.http://www.telemarkmotel.com/ Its, very basic, but clean. Bar and dinner attached. There is also a Microtel Hotel in Springville, about 20 minutes from the hill. Holiday Valley has the ability to smother the hill with man made, when it gets cold enough, and lake effect snow will surely help. Hope for cold weather. As already mentioned the continual warm and cold cycles, and Buffalo crowds will make it icey, unless you hit it right. Hope this helps!

post #4 of 26

wolfelot: I was hoping to salvage my pre-Christmas week at Mnut by at least doing a day trip to Tline/CV from Harrisonburg.  That's obviously not happening.

 

Would driving a little farther to northern MI be possible?  Someone who lives in Indianapolis was advised on another forum to go north instead of east to Snowshoe or Wisp.  Nubs, Boyne, Boyne Highlands are all in the same area.

post #5 of 26
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wolfelot: I was hoping to salvage my pre-Christmas week at Mnut by at least doing a day trip to Tline/CV from Harrisonburg.  That's obviously not happening.

 

Would driving a little farther to northern MI be possible?  Someone who lives in Indianapolis was advised on another forum to go north instead of east to Snowshoe or Wisp.  Nubs, Boyne, Boyne Highlands are all in the same area.


  I think you'd be crazy to drive to MI. 

post #6 of 26
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  I think you'd be crazy to drive to MI. 

Those of us who get in 10+ days skiing in the southeast and don't live in the mountains ARE crazy.  Know guys who drive north from Atlanta for a day trip to ski at one of the little hills in NC.  6-7 hours of driving for about the same in skiing.  I drive 4 hours each way to ski 4-5 weekends a season at Massanutten . . . 75 acres, 1100 ft vert, essentially all manmade snow.  Certainly not at all like Alta, but it's what I can fit into my daughter's school schedule.  Bottom line is that we have fun on snow!

post #7 of 26

supposed to be raining this week in wny, so I would watch the weather forcast.   Another cheap place to stay just a few minutes away is the Kelley House in town.  I don't see myself skiing there until January.

 

They do have some webcams available on their website.

post #8 of 26

Actually the WNY forecast discussion looks promising for potentially significant snow starting this weekend.  Still, it'd take a SERIOUS round of lake effect to get much going.  If that doesn't pan out, you might as well really get crazy and hit Whiteface or somewhere in VT.  

post #9 of 26
Thread Starter 
Thanks everybody. I have decided that I'll probably cap the drive time to about 6 hours each way. So although upstate NY and VT would offer better skiing we just don't want to travel that far to ski for the few days we have. Northern MI is just too far for not much vertical. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best making a decision late next week. If things look like a dud, I will not go at all and go when things are less crowded than Xmas.
post #10 of 26
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Thanks everybody. I have decided that I'll probably cap the drive time to about 6 hours each way. So although upstate NY and VT would offer better skiing we just don't want to travel that far to ski for the few days we have. Northern MI is just too far for not much vertical. I'm just going to keep my fingers crossed and hope for the best making a decision late next week. If things look like a dud, I will not go at all and go when things are less crowded than Xmas.

Even though it's harder, finding a different time to go makes more sense.

post #11 of 26
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Those of us who get in 10+ days skiing in the southeast and don't live in the mountains ARE crazy.  Know guys who drive north from Atlanta for a day trip to ski at one of the little hills in NC.  6-7 hours of driving for about the same in skiing.  I drive 4 hours each way to ski 4-5 weekends a season at Massanutten . . . 75 acres, 1100 ft vert, essentially all manmade snow.  Certainly not at all like Alta, but it's what I can fit into my daughter's school schedule.  Bottom line is that we have fun on snow!

 

I realize that and I love skiing as much as anyone.  But we've hit record high temps, longest period without snow and latest measurable snowfall, just this week.  At some point, you just have to decide that your time might be better well spent doing something else.   It will take you 18 hours to get to Boyne and the conditions won't be very good. 

Either blow your frequent flyer miles to go out west or spend the time with your daughter doing something she likes.

post #12 of 26
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post

Those of us who get in 10+ days skiing in the southeast and don't live in the mountains ARE crazy.  Know guys who drive north from Atlanta for a day trip to ski at one of the little hills in NC.  6-7 hours of driving for about the same in skiing.  I drive 4 hours each way to ski 4-5 weekends a season at Massanutten . . . 75 acres, 1100 ft vert, essentially all manmade snow.  Certainly not at all like Alta, but it's what I can fit into my daughter's school schedule.  Bottom line is that we have fun on snow!

 

I realize that and I love skiing as much as anyone.  But we've hit record high temps, longest period without snow and latest measurable snowfall, just this week.  At some point, you just have to decide that your time might be better well spent doing something else.   It will take you 18 hours to get to Boyne and the conditions won't be very good. 

Either blow your frequent flyer miles to go out west or spend the time with your daughter doing something she likes.

Just to clarify . . . wolfelot lives in Columbus and is the OP.  He used to live farther south so I know him from a regional forum.  Obviously it's up to him to make a decision for his situation.

 

I live in NC.  One reason that Mnut works as our home mountain is that my daughter and I enjoy the amenities at the resort besides skiing, such as the indoor water park.  We meet up with friends  the week before Christmas.  The best snow year was the blizzard of Dec 2009.  Took twice as long to get there, but the skiing was fantastic!  Powder in VA . . . it does happen once in a blue moon.

 

Wish I had frequent flyer miles to blow on ski trips.  The downside to being retired is that I don't do business travel any more.  The upside is that I don't have to worry about whether or not I can get vacation time for a ski trip with ski buddies plus take my daughter to Alta Lodge for spring break.  Sooner or later, I'm going to get a free flight on Southwest. smile.gif

post #13 of 26

Sorry.  I misinterpreted your post and thought that you were considering MI before Christmas.  Even from Columbus it's a haul.

post #14 of 26
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Sorry.  I misinterpreted your post and thought that you were considering MI before Christmas.  Even from Columbus it's a haul.

Yeah, I figured that.  Definitely messes up plans when even WV areas can't open by mid-Dec.

post #15 of 26

Yes they can crank out the snow but I can't believe they have many trails open. Even if it gets cold it will take some time. It does get crowded on the weekends and around holidays but they can move alot of people. If you can wait I would. It is a great place when it's got most trails open. Best place to stay slopeside is The Inn at HV. They have great deals during the week. The town of Olean is about 1/2 hour away and has cheaper places. Hope this helps.

post #16 of 26

Holiday Valley is looking promising for this weekend.  I plan on driving up for the day on Sunday for my 1st of the season.  Even with the colder weather and snow forecast, I would only expect 2-3 chairs running, Yodeler, Mardis Gras and perhaps Cindy's..  They will be stockpilig snow to get more open for the week of X-mas to New Years.  That is eough for me to make the 3 hour drive to get on the snow finally.

 

As for a place to stay, I have stayed at the Microtel in Springville (30 miutes) many times and is a reasonable choice.  I also like staying in Salamanca about 15 miles away.  There is a small motel above a steak house called the Meyer's Inn.  They have about 10 well appointed rooms for a reasonable cost.  The food in the restaruant is very good and of course they have a bar.  Very cool little Inn.  Another Salamanca option is the Dudley Hotel.  It is an old downtown hotel that has seen some ownership changes and mild renovations.  They do have acceptable rooms and have food and drink on premisis but costs a little more than the Myers Inn.  There are also a hotel at the nearby casino and a few chain hotels near the casino.

 

Olean a little further away (30-45 minutes) also has reasonable chain lodging.

 

Good luck,

 

Rick G

post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
^^^^thanks! Things are really starting to look up. Winter storm warnings posted for WV and a winter storm watch for the holiday valley area. Perhaps I won't stay home after all!
post #18 of 26

Hope so!  Met a family at Mnut yesterday from Hampton Roads.  First taste of skiing last winter at a scout day at Tline.  Father is so gung ho, he bought equipment for everyone last spring.  Since there is no snow at Mnut, they are doing a day trip to Snowshoe today . . . about 3 hour drive from Mnut.

 

I think SS is going to be really good for those who booked for Christmas week.

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^^^^thanks! Things are really starting to look up. Winter storm warnings posted for WV and a winter storm watch for the holiday valley area. Perhaps I won't stay home after all!
post #19 of 26
Thread Starter 
Winter Storm Warning now for the Holiday Valley area as well. Ill head wherever the terrain is open smile.gif
post #20 of 26

You can bet Holiday Valley will be doing everything they can now to be as close as they can to full strength come Xmas week.  This weekend is looking fairly promising, though I'm a little nervous to say that.

 

Rick G. threw out some very good recommendations.  I will say that I had a bad experience at the Dudley, but it might have improved since I was there last.  I normally stay in either the Red Roof in the Falconer/ Jamestown area (dirt cheap, about 45 minutes from HV) or the Westgate Hotel in Salamanca (pretty nice place, about 15 minutes from HV).  As for the Meyer's, I've never stayed there but I can say that their restaurant has extremely good food (we usually will pick that over Ellicottville dining).  

post #21 of 26
Thread Starter 

Cancelled my Canaan Valley reservations. They just don't have the terrain open and side country looks like it would be too thin. I'm working out the details to head to Holiday Valley. They have gone from 2 trails open to 28 trails open in a hurry with more snow forecasted and temps for around-the-clock snowmaking temps to continue which leads me to believe they could open more. Thanks for all the leads guys and I'll be sure to post a TR. 

post #22 of 26

Holiday Valley is looking very good right now.  28 trails open today and rapidly adding more.  I'll be there Saturday and Sunday.  Glad to see that they're finally getting things underway this season... I was getting worried for a little while.  

post #23 of 26

I came across this old thread about an EpicSki Gathering at Holiday Valley in 2008.  Sounds like you'll have a good time.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/65668/holiday-valley-holimont-gathering-tr-1-25-08

post #24 of 26
Thread Starter 
I had to call yet another audible. Thanks for all the advice, but it will have to be applied another weekend. Our 12.5 hour drive back from NE turned into 17 with the snow on the 26th. So my wife lost the urge to go to Holiday Valley and my backup plan, my buddy decided not to go either. Because of holiday crowds I have decided not to go solo. Instead, right now it looks like I may get up at 4 am and head to Blue Knob for a super long day trip on Sunday. This little system starting to come down looks promising. BK had 25/34 runs open 12.28.
post #25 of 26

Was there the day after the storm.  It was surprisingly icy... probably the worst I've ever seen it.  Coverage was poor in some areas as well.  It was still good to get out, but I'm not sure if I'd drive more than 2 hours or so for it.

post #26 of 26

Oh well, as you said, may not be worth dealing with holiday crowds.

 

If you make it to BK, would like to know what you think.  I'm trying to figure out how to make it for the Mid-Atlantic Bears gathering in Feb.

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I had to call yet another audible. Thanks for all the advice, but it will have to be applied another weekend. Our 12.5 hour drive back from NE turned into 17 with the snow on the 26th. So my wife lost the urge to go to Holiday Valley and my backup plan, my buddy decided not to go either. Because of holiday crowds I have decided not to go solo. Instead, right now it looks like I may get up at 4 am and head to Blue Knob for a super long day trip on Sunday. This little system starting to come down looks promising. BK had 25/34 runs open 12.28.
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