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How to get advice from instructors based on a video of yourself [a Beginner Zone thread]

post #1 of 23
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Ever wonder what "MA" means in a thread title?  It stands for Movement Analysis.  The first post by the OP (Original Poster) usually includes a video of someone skiing down the hill.  What the OP hopes is that ski instructors will provide constructive criticism and suggestions for how to improve.

 

Here's a recent example that includes tips on how to make a MA video that is more helpful than the one the OP posted.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/115673/video-feedback-please

post #2 of 23
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Here is another example.  In this case the OP started skiing in 2012.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/111041/video-critique-please

post #3 of 23
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This thread includes videos that show progression in a "ski diary," starting from 2008 through 2012 so far.  The OP is a young man who lives in Europe.  Got advice from several ski instructors and others over the years.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/71563/airria-skidiary

post #4 of 23
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A thread in Ski Instruction and Coaching that starts with a video by an advanced beginner who is on the slopes for his second season.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/116929/too-much-pizza-feedback-requested-on-a-video-clip-of-my-skiing

 

post #5 of 23
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This intermediate skier put up a video of doing the drill lifting the inside ski for comment by ski instructors.  Good example of what type of video is useful.  Got several good, brief, suggestions pretty quickly.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117042/my-turn-shape-is-better-when-i-lift-the-inside-ski-what-should-i-do-video

 

post #6 of 23
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Another intermediate who ask for advice on how to improve based on a video.  This thread is in the Instruction forum.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117802/my-carving-needs-help-ma-please

post #7 of 23

We have a tag for that. smile.gif

post #8 of 23

I've been pleasantly surprised by the recent flood of civil and productive MA threads. Maybe we've broken the pattern of people asking for help and then resisting help.

post #9 of 23
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This example shows that even a quick look is enough for an experienced instructor to provide advice to an intermediate.  The video clip is less than a minute.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117828/please-help-to-improve

 

Note that threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.

post #10 of 23
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An intermediate who provided two quick clips, under 30 sec, in a thread in the Instruction forum.  He got quite a bit of detailed feedback pretty quickly.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/118662/ma-for-jonc

post #11 of 23
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An example of the type of high level movement analysis that a really experienced instructor can give.  Of course even better if done in person.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117828/please-help-to-improve#post_1554370

post #12 of 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post

Ever wonder what "MA" means in a thread title?  It stands for Movement Analysis.  The first post by the OP (Original Poster) usually includes a video of someone skiing down the hill.  What the OP hopes is that ski instructors will provide constructive criticism and suggestions for how to improve.

 

Here's a recent example that includes tips on how to make a MA video that is more helpful than the one the OP posted.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/115673/video-feedback-please

 

This request for MA from an advanced skier is based on a couple videos.  The second one is on a bump run when viewed from the chairlift.  The discussion involved several experienced instructors.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/94649/improving-my-technique

 

Note that threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.  Those referenced in this Beginner Zone thread are examples to help beginners and intermediates get a sense of how instructors can help.

post #13 of 23
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This MA thread from last season was for an intermediate in Ontario during the 3rd season.  The OP skis with a ski club and takes lessons.  The clip is only 20 sec long, but more than enough for experienced instructors to provide helpful suggestions.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117258/please-ma-my-ski-video

post #14 of 23

Off topic, but I wonder if Ski Schools should give every instructor a video camera. I'm sure a lot of students think "But I am doing what he said".

post #15 of 23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by veteran View Post

Off topic, but I wonder if Ski Schools should give every instructor a video camera. I'm sure a lot of students think "But I am doing what he said".

Good question, but would rather not start a discussion in this Beginner Zone thread.

post #16 of 23
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Another MA for an intermediate from last spring.  

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/119669/lets-try-this-ma-again-intermediate-2nd-season

 

Here's an example of the advice provided.

 


Quote:
Originally Posted by iLoveSkiing View Post

nemesis im a beginner just like you and I had the same problem few weeks ago, heres the explanation of what to do in pictures:

 

 

On the upper pic ur going to certainly be pulled into the backseat

You need to flex the ankle like shown on the bottom picture with the blue so the legs touch ur boot tongue as shown with the green cross.

 
post #17 of 23
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A request for MA in the midst of a thread that started out asking for advice for ski length for a self-described older intermediate.  The skier is in his late 50's and doesn't get to ski too often.  The second post is a detailed analysis by one of instructors who is an active member of EpicSki.

 

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/t/122244/strong-intermediate-skis#post_1627644

 

http://epicski.onthesnow.com/t/122244/strong-intermediate-skis#post_1628027

 

A comment made in the same thread that applies to many older skiers who had developed bad habits during years of skiing only on an annual ski trip.

 

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Originally Posted by Pacobillie View Post
 

Gpaulski:

 

 

If I were you, I would book that lesson for the very first day of your ski season.  One of the issues with poor technique is that it gets so deeply ingrained that it is hard to get rid off.  Not only do you have to learn what to do right, but you also have to "unlearn" what you do wrong.  Your muscles have now had a rest from skiing.  Before you start making those wrong moves that your muscles have memorized from past years of poor skiing, take a private or semi-private lesson and give them a fresh start.

 

Equipment cannot fix technical problems.  Remember the four "T" rule:  there are four factors that determine your performance level in any sport:  talent, tools, technique and training. Talent, you can do nothing about.  Tools cost a lot of money and have little effect on performance.  Learn the proper technique and train!  In other words, take lessons from a competent instructor and practice!

 

 

Note: Please remember this is in the Beginner Zone before you reply

post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 

A good MA for a beginner in his first season after 5 days on snow on a ski trip to Colorado.  Pretty neat what the instructors could spot after looking at two short clips of about 30 sec each.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/122506/beginner-ma

 

Note: Please remember this is in the Beginner Zone before you reply
post #19 of 23
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An improving intermediate who provided a few videos for MA purposes.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/126271/another-ma-northeast-intermediate

 

Note: Please remember this is in the Beginner Zone before you reply

post #20 of 23
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This comment from a very experienced instructor is from a MA thread by an advanced skier who attended the 2014 Mother's Day get together at Arapahoe Basin.  The concept applies to anyone who wants to improve, no matter what ability level.

 

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson View Post

Good skiing is the body reacting appropriately to the sensations it gets from the circumstances involved, not the brain directing the responses. You develop appropriate reactions by allowing the body to become familiar with the sensations. Mostly, this has to be done at slow paces on lower angle slopes, where you can practice while relaxed. Only when you don't have to think your way through the feedback can you successfully increase the pace.
 

Here's the thread if you want to see the full discussion and the video clips.  Note that the videos were not taken for MA purposes.

http://www.epicski.com/t/127923/any-feedback-from-these-mothers-day-trip-report-videos

 

Note that threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.  Those referenced in this Beginner Zone thread are examples to help beginners and intermediates get a sense of how instructors can help.

 

Note: Please remember this is in the Beginner Zone before you reply

post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 

This example of a video was done by a beginner, age 33, Day 12 in his first season.  The thread was started in the Beginner Zone.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/117767/comments-on-my-video

 

Note that threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.  Those referenced in this Beginner Zone thread are examples to help beginners and intermediates get a sense of how instructors can help based on a short video (1-2 min).

 

Note: Please remember this is in the Beginner Zone before you reply

post #22 of 23
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A thread in Ski Instruction with a couple videos, taken in two different ski seasons by someone who is an intermediate skiing in eastern Canada and northeast U.S.  The second video was taken after about 10 days of skiing (lifetime).  Note that it helps a lot that the Thread Starter (also known as the OP-Original Poster) stays involved as the instructors respond.  He has had at least one lesson from a very experienced instructor (Level IV CSIA).

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/126493/ma-for-a-perpetual-intermediate-please-and-thanks

 

 

Threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.  Those referenced in this Beginner Zone thread are examples to help beginners and intermediates get a sense of how instructors can help based on a short video (1-2 min).

 

Note: Please remember you are reading a Beginner Zone thread before you reply

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 

The combination of on-snow instruction in addition to getting suggestions based on a video is a good way to improve technique in a relatively short period of time.  The OP first posted a video for MA in March 2014 and continues to update his thread in the Ski Instruction forum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

A thread in Ski Instruction with a couple videos, taken in two different ski seasons by someone who is an intermediate skiing in eastern Canada and northeast U.S.  The second video was taken after about 10 days of skiing (lifetime).  Note that it helps a lot that the Thread Starter (also known as the OP-Original Poster) stays involved as the instructors respond.  He has had at least one lesson from a very experienced instructor (Level IV CSIA).

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/126493/ma-for-a-perpetual-intermediate-please-and-thanks

 

 

Threads asking for MA in the Instruction & Coaching forum are more likely to be noticed quickly by instructors who post regularly on EpicSki.  Those referenced in this Beginner Zone thread are examples to help beginners and intermediates get a sense of how instructors can help based on a short video (1-2 min).

 

Note: Please remember you are reading a Beginner Zone thread before you reply

Quote:
Originally Posted by KidShaleen View Post
 

Latest update. I've had a few days of skiing since my last post.

 

Since the last post I've focussed on the input from this thread, and have had a lesson from a CSIA instructor.

 

Not the best skiing I've done since (conditions were warm and soft), but no doubt indicative of my skiing.

 

As alway, I appreciate your input. Thanks!!

 

 

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