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post #31 of 67
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

 OTOH, I overheard a girl in the lodge saying that she wasn`t having any fun because it was too cold and snowy (and something about forgetting her goggles)...she did say that if she was a better skier, she might enjoy it more.

 

 

Yesterday at Wolf was filled with snowboarders and skiers out of their equipment walking down ski slopes. I saw at least one person doing this on every intermediate pitch run I skied.  There was just way too much snow for somebody to have fun if they didn't know exactly how not to get stuck on shallow pitches, and if they didn't have the skillset to ski steeper pitches, there was little fun to be had in 4 feet of snow.

 

Pretty much every powder day, I manage to overhear SOMEBODY complaining about "lack of grooming" or how cold it is.

post #32 of 67

I think Xmas is going to be ok in CO.  Breck reported 12 yesterday, and Copper 6.  That's above forecast for both.  Today and tonight are supposed to be the big days.  We'll see where things are going into the weekend.  I suspect that terrain will start to open after the storm and in time for the Xmas visitors.

 

Mike

post #33 of 67

I wish the timing had been a little earlier on that - I have no interest in going up during the Xmas break...although it is good to see some base finally coming in.

 

I had been hoping to start some BC trips instead of braving the crowds, but we're still a few feet of snow away from being well covered.

post #34 of 67
I think so, too. WP has reported over 40" in the past couple of weeks, and we have the approaching storm and maybe a Christmas Eve/Day storm.
post #35 of 67
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

I think Xmas is going to be ok in CO.  Breck reported 12 yesterday, and Copper 6.  That's above forecast for both.  Today and tonight are supposed to be the big days.  We'll see where things are going into the weekend.  I suspect that terrain will start to open after the storm and in time for the Xmas visitors.

 

Mike

 

 

I tend to agree and another storm looking likely for next Monday/Tues would help alot.  

 

On the other hand....the I-70 and Aspen resorts might hit 60-75% open by this weekend if tonight pans out well.  Assuming we get ~1inch of water equivalent we should catch up with last year from Snow water equivalent standpoint.  That being said we are still very far from average or median snowfall standpoint.  

 

Copper should have roughly 70-80 inches of total snowfall by end of December and we need 30-40 inches to get us there...doable....yeah.....likely not sure....I'm hopingsnowfalling.gif

 

And you know Breck didn't get anywhere near 12" on most of the mountain....maybe the upper bowls but most of the open runs got 6-7 inches....marketing at it finestrolleyes.gif

post #36 of 67
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

 

 

And you know Breck didn't get anywhere near 12" on most of the mountain....maybe the upper bowls but most of the open runs got 6-7 inches....marketing at it finestrolleyes.gif

Yeah there is no way. I tend to just go off of Copper's snow stake. 

 

You know we may be just catching up to last years total snowfall but a lot of last years stuff came early and sporadic, then melted. If the storm tonight pans out and the storm net week is decent I would say that Colorado is goin to be ahead of last year in terms of coverage 

post #37 of 67
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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post

Yeah there is no way. I tend to just go off of Copper's snow stake. 

 

You know we may be just catching up to last years total snowfall but a lot of last years stuff came early and sporadic, then melted. If the storm tonight pans out and the storm net week is decent I would say that Colorado is goin to be ahead of last year in terms of coverage 

Last year it blew away, too. 

 

Skiing is much better now than at the same time last year. We were still on manmade, mostly, so even if the terrain was open, it sucked. Copper needs to get to a 30" base to start opening most runs, and they should have that by tomorrow. I skied Sat, Sun, and Mon, and things improved by the hour. Sat morning was still sketchy, Sat pm was better, Sun was quite nice, and yesterday was like real skiing again. Even Sat, with a few inches new, you were still uncovering the hard stuff underneath. By yesterday, we were almost totally on real snow again. You still hit hard patches here and there, but it was so much nicer than Sat. 

 

I think 6 inches is underreported, too -- depends on where you are, but there was definitely 8 - 10 in places (it snowed all day, really hard in the am). Breck and Copper both probably got about 8 or 9 .... on average.

post #38 of 67
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post

I think Xmas is going to be ok in Summit County.  Breck reported 12 yesterday, and Copper 6.  That's above forecast for both.  Today and tonight are supposed to be the big days.  We'll see where things are going into the weekend.  I suspect that terrain will start to open after the storm and in time for the Xmas visitors.

 

Mike

 

 

Fixed it, Steamboat has 90 trails open, 37" base and in all likelihood break 100" by Christmas.  Now if they can just get their website functioning properly and get someone who can keep track of the snow totals.....  Anyone else notice how often they have been changing the totals, forgetting to add in the cumulative amounts?  Prop 64 in action biggrin.gif

post #39 of 67
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

 

And you know Breck didn't get anywhere near 12" on most of the mountain....maybe the upper bowls but most of the open runs got 6-7 inches....marketing at it finestrolleyes.gif

 

Q: What do you call 3 inches of snow?

 

A: Most people call it 3 inches, but Vail calls it a foot.

post #40 of 67

I think people at Mammoth call 3 inches of snow a "dusting" smile.gif

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I can explain this for you: 1)  There are 2 "official" measurements taken daily... one at 5am, one at 12pm (yes we report also at 8:30am-ish, but that's not one of our official "recorded" measurements, just an update).  These totals are the two different amounts you will see on the website daily (ie the two different numbers you will see at 5am and noon-ish on the website).  These totals are both 24 hr totals independent of each other... so 5am is since 5am the day prior, 12pm is since 12pm day prior... two different measuring stakes.  2) The cumulative total is based on the 5am report only.  So the grand total won't change until 5am the next day.  So if 6" is picked up between 5am and noon (and not blown away by wind), that 6" won't change the cumulative total until the next day.  3)  Snow blows away on us sometimes.  So if that aforementioned 6" that fell between 5am and noon gets blown to Wyoming by the next 5am reading, it might not get factored into the cumulative yearly total.  Make sense?  So no, there are no disappearing inches (unless like I said, snow blows away during the day), it's all pretty meticulously recorded.  

 

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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

 

 

Fixed it, Steamboat has 90 trails open, 37" base and in all likelihood break 100" by Christmas.  Now if they can just get their website functioning properly and get someone who can keep track of the snow totals.....  Anyone else notice how often they have been changing the totals, forgetting to add in the cumulative amounts?  Prop 64 in action biggrin.gif

post #42 of 67

Monarch and Wolf Creek both got like 50"-60" from this storm cycle.  Some amazing pow shots from friends who are there.

post #43 of 67

Skied Copper today and plowed through lots of piles of fresh snow under the Super Bee in the AM.  Then around lunch I discovered the black runs under the Excelerator were open and those were lots of fun.  The snow quality was really good, though not all the bushes were completely covered.  

 

Wish I was going back up tomorrow. The friend I went with was had plans to go up tomorrow until he broke his collarbone. Poor guy.

post #44 of 67
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Originally Posted by ChuckT View Post

I think people at Mammoth call 3 inches of snow a "dusting" smile.gif

Hey, get out of our thread. We know. PNW calls 3 in. "summer." ;-) We are just yahoo.gifto see anything at all in 2012.

post #45 of 67
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

 

On the other hand....the I-70 and Aspen resorts might hit 60-75% open by this weekend if tonight pans out well.  Assuming we get ~1inch of water equivalent we should catch up with last year from Snow water equivalent standpoint.  That being said we are still very far from average or median snowfall standpoint.  

 

 

I'm curious where you are getting your snowfall and water equivalent stats from?  I know there is a lot of different data out there and most of what I'm seeing says were doing better than last year.  Are you referring to a particular ski area?

post #46 of 67
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Originally Posted by nathanvg View Post

 

I'm curious where you are getting your snowfall and water equivalent stats from?  I know there is a lot of different data out there and most of what I'm seeing says were doing better than last year.  Are you referring to a particular ski area?

 

 

That's a statewide metric and we are still well below last year as of today...tonight might change that  but this year seems much better since last year most of the snow fell in late Oct and and early Nov and then stopped

 

 

ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/CO/Snow/snow/watershed/daily/basinplotstate13.gif

post #47 of 67
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

 

 

That's a statewide metric and we are still well below last year as of today...tonight might change that  but this year seems much better since last year most of the snow fell in late Oct and and early Nov and then stopped

 

 

ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/CO/Snow/snow/watershed/daily/basinplotstate13.gif

Copper's numbers, for example, were 26" in Nov and 12" in Dec last year ... this year, it's flipped (so far): 28" this month, 12" in Nov. (In 2010, it was 32" Oct, 55" Nov, 70" Dec.)

post #48 of 67
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

Monarch and Wolf Creek both got like 50"-60" from this storm cycle.  Some amazing pow shots from friends who are there.

 

 

Alberta Face around 2:00 PM on the 15th. Posted for the deep, not the noodle early season used-to-skiing-wrod-until-January legs.


Edited by anachronism - 12/18/12 at 10:26pm
post #49 of 67
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Originally Posted by tam View Post

I can explain this for you: 1)  There are 2 "official" measurements taken daily... one at 5am, one at 12pm (yes we report also at 8:30am-ish, but that's not one of our official "recorded" measurements, just an update).  These totals are the two different amounts you will see on the website daily (ie the two different numbers you will see at 5am and noon-ish on the website).  These totals are both 24 hr totals independent of each other... so 5am is since 5am the day prior, 12pm is since 12pm day prior... two different measuring stakes.  2) The cumulative total is based on the 5am report only.  So the grand total won't change until 5am the next day.  So if 6" is picked up between 5am and noon (and not blown away by wind), that 6" won't change the cumulative total until the next day.  3)  Snow blows away on us sometimes.  So if that aforementioned 6" that fell between 5am and noon gets blown to Wyoming by the next 5am reading, it might not get factored into the cumulative yearly total.  Make sense?  So no, there are no disappearing inches (unless like I said, snow blows away during the day), it's all pretty meticulously recorded.  

 

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Tam, 1st off, thanks for taking the time to explain. However, since I am ADHD and OCD, I have been monitoring the postings. Trust me, it has not  been uncommon for the totals to change 2-3 times during the day with the cumulative totals not being changed when the daily and 48 hour totals change.  Greg Merz and I have made this into a bit of a game now.  He also noticed this going on. If its that complicated, they need to "uncomplicate" it. Its a snow report......

 

It's not that they are disappearing, its that they aren't being reported consistently. You shouldn't have a report, then 2 hour later change one of the amounts and not the cumulative.  Yesterday for instance, the increased the 48 hour amount by 2" but didn't increase the cumulative. How is that correct?  Their own splash page on the site read 17" when the snow report showed 20"

 

Why not just post two different totals (24 & since the close, or in this case, 5am till noon)  so people viewing it aren't confused and it doesn't seem like they can't track the totals accurately.   Take a look at other resorts and you will see how its done, a 24, 48, 72 and 96 hour total, cumulative and then have a "since the close" amount. this clearly delineates what fell when.  

 

Another peeve is that they don't post the temps at the resort. From a marketing perspective, this is something they should be doing. 


Edited by Finndog - 12/19/12 at 5:25am
post #50 of 67
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

Copper's numbers, for example, were 26" in Nov and 12" in Dec last year ... this year, it's flipped (so far): 28" this month, 12" in Nov. (In 2010, it was 32" Oct, 55" Nov, 70" Dec.)

 

 

It was much warmer in Nov this year though and I seem to remember Copper counting the Oct snowfall last year in their YTD numbers but not this year.....

post #51 of 67

Well last night was a dud again for Summit and Eagle....looks like Aspen and Steamboat did well again......and so it goes

 

Vail is 26% open as of this morning and Breck is at 25%.....A Basin still has basically one run from top to bottom with a couple of side tracks......

 

I still think substantial terrain will open before this weekend but getting to 70% open is going to be a stretch...and meanwhile the rest of the west is having an awesome early season

 

The donut is is in full effectnonono2.gif


Edited by UGASkiDawg - 12/19/12 at 6:13am
post #52 of 67
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Originally Posted by UGASkiDawg View Post

Well last night was a dud again for Summit and Eagle....looks like Aspen and Steamboat did well again......and so it goes

NWS is saying that the storm moved slower than predicted and that it should be arriving this morning. Whether anything will actually be produced....

post #53 of 67
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Originally Posted by lonewolf210 View Post

NWS is saying that the storm moved slower than predicted and that it should be arriving this morning. Whether anything will actually be produced....

 

 

Yeah so maybe 3-6 in Summit instead of the 10-15 that was being hyped and was really needed.  Summit County needs 2 feet of snow to catch up to an average year.

post #54 of 67

Yes, more ropes will be dropping later in the week, and you can be sure that all resorts will have as much terrain that is safely able to open by the weekend.

 

They'll wait for some of the snow to settle before opening some other runs, and will need time to mark hazards, get ropes up, etc.

post #55 of 67

10" in 24 hours (subject to the 12hour adjustment factor explained above) reported by the boat. 

post #56 of 67
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

10" in 24 hours (subject to the 12hour adjustment factor explained above) reported by the boat. 

 

 

Bite mewink.gif

post #57 of 67
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Originally Posted by wasatchwarrior View Post

Anyone up at A Basin?  Any reports of more terrain opening?  How about Breck?

According to my text msgs from Vail Resorts, Breck has gotten 18" of snow in the last 48 hrs. Vail 13", Beaver Creek 8", Keystone 6"

post #58 of 67

its coming people!  Its on its way and since I'm supposed to fly back in Christmas day, I am sure we'll get a christmas present.......  (meaning I'll get stuck in DEN)

post #59 of 67
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Originally Posted by anachronism View Post

 

Q: What do you call 3 inches of snow?

 

A: Most people call it 3 inches, but Vail calls it a foot.

Thanks for that update.

 

FWIW, I've found VR's daily snowfall reports to be fairly accurate. However, as I hope to pay a visit with Baz Jr. early next month, please do keep on spreading the Vail Hatred, and not just here on Epic. Please let everyone on NS, TGR, BC, the New York Times, USA Today, and any other venue that you can think of know how horrible it is to ski there.

 

Baz Jr. and I know our way around some, and can entertain ourselves and our friends mightily, and find some stashes even a day or two after a good dump.  But if you can dissuade others from visiting the mountain during our stay, I'm sure that we can benefit from your disinformation. 

post #60 of 67
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Originally Posted by voelfgar View Post

According to my text msgs from Vail Resorts, Breck has gotten 18" of snow in the last 48 hrs. Vail 13", Beaver Creek 8", Keystone 6"

 

 

Breck may have gotten 18" in a very secluded, wind protected spot very high up on the bowls that aren't open but down on the stuff that people are actually skiing right now a better bet would be about 10"

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