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Interesting quote from a World Cupper returning from injury

post #1 of 21
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If you follow the WC DH/SG, you may be familiar with Canada's John Kucera, who after winning the World Championships, crashed at Lake Louise with a nasty compound tib-fib break. His comeback story is fairly normal, about hard work, determination and passion to get back into the game, but unfortunately while forerunning a race in preparation he broke his leg again. What really caught my attention in the article here http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/more-sports/forced-to-the-comeback-trail-yet-again-proves-there-is-no-quit-in-kucera/article6219110/ was Kucera's quote on how he broke his leg the second time:

 

“Atomic had come out with a new binding and hadn’t worked all the bugs out,” Kucera recalls. “I came into a turn and walked out of my bindings on my good leg. That [crash] really messes with your head. It takes time to trust your gear again.”

 

 

No kidding that would mess your head up, especially as a speed skier. If you don't have complete trust your equipment at 100+ km/h, your in deep trouble on several levels.

post #2 of 21

Equipment failure crashes are the worst. It's one thing if YOU mess up, but when your gear gives it really messes with your head, kills your confidence. I never liked atomics bindings... first time skiing one I pre-released at 10DIN on a green run. 
I hope he can find his mojo back!

post #3 of 21
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Not to knock Atomic's R&D but I would think that you would want your stuff to be rock-solid before sending one of your top athletes, and one recovering from injury even more so, down a race course at full speed.

post #4 of 21

Yeah, I don't get that one, either. This was the switch from the 10-18 series of bindings to the X series. I use and like the X series, and I think pre-release is less of a problem with the X series...now, with the production binding. But yeah, I don't understand why Atomic wouldn't just keep him on 10-18s, which are a known quantity, until they had a solid X series binding...

 

 

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Originally Posted by ZeroGravity View Post

Not to knock Atomic's R&D but I would think that you would want your stuff to be rock-solid before sending one of your top athletes, and one recovering from injury even more so, down a race course at full speed.

post #5 of 21

See, they thaught they had a solid new binding....

post #6 of 21

I was talking to one of the US speed team a few months ago and there is a view that for the speed ski these guys still prefer the older 1018s.  the X series has reportedly given some minor vibration issues on DH skis.  that is probably why the dh/sg skis remained with the older binding for a couple years longer than the tech skis.

 

maybe i can blame my wrist injury on the X series bugs - except it was user error not cranking them up from 8 mad.gif

post #7 of 21

There you go...my minimum opening bet is 11....

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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

I was talking to one of the US speed team a few months ago and there is a view that for the speed ski these guys still prefer the older 1018s.  the X series has reportedly given some minor vibration issues on DH skis.  that is probably why the dh/sg skis remained with the older binding for a couple years longer than the tech skis.

 

maybe i can blame my wrist injury on the X series bugs - except it was user error not cranking them up from 8 mad.gif

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post

There you go...my minimum opening bet is 11....

 yeah, i normally start at 10 as well.  technician (me) error in this case

post #9 of 21

Never walked out of a Tyrolia. Walked out of Rossi, Look, Marker, and Salomon. Never Tyrolia/Fischer/Head. Not sure if it means anything, but as said above, trust goes a long way.

post #10 of 21

I'm not sure if "walked out of binding" really means what I think it means, but if it means it released for no apparent reason (more or less), then yes, it does happen with Tyrolia (Fischer in my case) too. I have them set to 14 (Fischer Z16 FF RS bindings on GS skis) and it did happen few times, that they released while cruising kinda normal speed (80-90km/h with GS is nothing all that bad) on flat terrain without bumps and without even pushing much. So sometimes it happens also with Tyrolia ;) But I agree... it's not really good feeling few runs after that, when you are constantly thinking what will happen.

post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post

Never walked out of a Tyrolia. Walked out of Rossi, Look, Marker, and Salomon. Never Tyrolia/Fischer/Head. Not sure if it means anything, but as said above, trust goes a long way.

 

Im pritty confident in Marker that Im using now but have had problems with Atomic X and Look/Rossignol. When I was skiing on Head skis I used Tyrolias and I never had any probolems with skis comming off accidentally.

post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post

I'm not sure if "walked out of binding" really means what I think it means, but if it means it released for no apparent reason (more or less), then yes, it does happen with Tyrolia (Fischer in my case) too. I have them set to 14 (Fischer Z16 FF RS bindings on GS skis) and it did happen few times, that they released while cruising kinda normal speed (80-90km/h with GS is nothing all that bad) on flat terrain without bumps and without even pushing much. So sometimes it happens also with Tyrolia ;) But I agree... it's not really good feeling few runs after that, when you are constantly thinking what will happen.

 

Cruising at that speed is pritty fast. I have a pair of Z16FF but consider them not to be stiff enough for GS racing. Lets face it, any binding can relese under perfect pre-relese conditions including snow under the toe wink.gif.

 

One of our Eurocup racers dumpped her Atomics for Head after having lots of pre-relese issues. She was not allowed to screw any other bindings on her Atomics. Not even the old model.

post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by ScotsSkier View Post

the X series has reportedly given some minor vibration issues on DH skis.

 

Not sure, but I'm guessing you mean how the forward pressure spring works in keeping the heel in contact as the ski flexes?

post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by epic View Post

 

Not sure, but I'm guessing you mean how the forward pressure spring works in keeping the heel in contact as the ski flexes?

could be, I didnt drill down into it

post #15 of 21

Interesting.  Atomic is actually the only binding I can claim to never have pre-released from.  I've changed over this season from the 1018 to the X-20, so I'm interested to see how it goes.
 

post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

I have a pair of Z16FF but consider them not to be stiff enough for GS racing.

Seriously? Because these were skis from one of WC skiers, and bindings came with them, which means that on WC (at least) some people consider them good enough for WC GS racing ;) But I do believe Sunday warriors have sometimes more wishes then top athletes. ;)

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by exracer View Post

Interesting.  Atomic is actually the only binding I can claim to never have pre-released from.  I've changed over this season from the 1018 to the X-20, so I'm interested to see how it goes.
 

 

Same here 10-18 seems pretty bomb-proof.

post #18 of 21

Saturday I walked out of markers set at 14 in a GS race. brand new bindings, clean boots... go figure... mad.gif

post #19 of 21

did you have the forward pressure set up?  they need to be a good half turn past flush, same as the Atomic

post #20 of 21

I had the shop check them after the race and they said they were good... but I will def check that! Thanks.

post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by jzamp

I had the shop check them after the race and they said they were good... but I will def check that! Thanks.

 

yes. Remember the shop can  not set them up past flush and they will test OK but not necessarily stay on in a course.  Normal practice for marker race though is to add a bit extra forward pressure.  I normally give it enough to take it visibly past flush - maybe 2mm?  Oh, one other thing to watch for.  Markers also seem to have a propensity to slacken off on the forward pressure. No idea why but it happens, so check it regularly.  I think these factors are part of the reason Markers can get a bad rap.  Attend to them and you resolve most of the issues.   I ran Marker 20 comps on my GS race pair last year with no issues doing this.  

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