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post #1 of 14
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So, I recently purchased some STH 14s for my powder skis. I skied them a total of two times, opening day, and the day after, in Revelstoke. On the last run of the second day, I found a nice little 3 ft drop (that I didn't see) which ended in a large hole which I didn't have enough speed to clear, creating an uphill landing. After the rather light crash, I discovered this had happened. I am about 6' 5", weight somewhere between 180-230 pounds, and had my DIN at 10, front and back.

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Now, I apologize for the poor quality of the pictures, but I have four questions about this rather unfortunate, and long hike causing event.

1) What, in your opinion, is the probable cause of this breakage?

2) Have you ever witnessed, heard of, fixed or read about this kind of breakage in this binding before?

3) If (Or rather, when) I get warranty, what is the chance that these bindings break again?

4) Is the damage to my ski caused by the screw being ripped out repairable without remounting in a different location? (I realize that I probably haven't provided enough information to answer this one, so I will post more if it is needed, as long as someone specifies what is needed, seeing as I have no clue.)

 

Oh, and sorry if this is in the wrong location, I have never posted here before, but I have been reading these forums for quite a while.

post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by Monc View Post

So, I recently purchased some STH 14s for my powder skis. I skied them a total of two times, opening day, and the day after, in Revelstoke. On the last run of the second day, I found a nice little 3 ft drop (that I didn't see) which ended in a large hole which I didn't have enough speed to clear, creating an uphill landing. After the rather light crash, I discovered this had happened. I am about 6' 5", weight somewhere between 180-230 pounds, and had my DIN at 10, front and back.

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Now, I apologize for the poor quality of the pictures, but I have four questions about this rather unfortunate, and long hike causing event.

1) What, in your opinion, is the probable cause of this breakage?

**Not sure without better pictures 

2) Have you ever witnessed, heard of, fixed or read about this kind of breakage in this binding before?

**No

3) If (Or rather, when) I get warranty, what is the chance that these bindings break again?

**Doubt it

4) Is the damage to my ski caused by the screw being ripped out repairable without remounting in a different location? (I realize that I probably haven't provided enough information to answer this one, so I will post more if it is needed, as long as someone specifies what is needed, seeing as I have no clue.)

**Like you said, you haven't provided enough information but if the screws are a CM or more away from the original ones, you should be fine. 

 

Oh, and sorry if this is in the wrong location, I have never posted here before, but I have been reading these forums for quite a while.

 

You are posting a lot of vague information, like that you weigh between 180 and 230lb, I usually know within 5lb what I weigh at any particular time. I ti shard to say what happened by your pics, maybe some views from a side angle could help. How does the other ski &binding look look? Was the forward pressure correct? Did you do the mount/adjust or a shop? Was the toe height correct? What was the wear on the bottom of the boot like? A LOT of leverage was created to cause this though. 

 

For your size and the leverage that you can create, a Sth16 should have been considered. while both bindings have a 10 within their usable DIN range. the Sth16 has a metal base plate, which MIGHT (and I emphasis MIGHT) have been the weak link here. but there also could have been a mount issue too, the Sth toe does require attention to the previously mentioned toe hight and wing adjustments. 

post #3 of 14
That must have been some kind of hard landing to cause that, the STH 14s are a pretty solid binding, I've had no issue with my FFG 16s, and they've gone through some gnarlier stuff than that. Probably a manufacturers defect, a binding shouldn't fail at lower strain than it takes to release, especially not at 10 DIN... Something must have been up with those.
post #4 of 14
Thread Starter 
I aquired a scale this morning, I stepped on it, and it said I weigh 220 pounds.
The mounting and adjustment was done by a shop, which should mean that the various ajustments and pressures were done correctly. However, I did see that one of the screws on the heel piece was loose, and I had it tightened before I took the skis. Perhaps the screw that came out was loose?
I can't post more pictures right now, but I will when I get back home.
The really confusing part about this is, there shouldn't have been a lot of leverage created when I broke these. My other binding appears fine, and didn't release. The drop was only about 3 feet tall, and when I landed, I just fell over due to a lack of balance more then anything (I was turning, and leaned over too far to correct before I went off this). I didn't tumble, I didn't get hurt in any way, save for my pride and the really long hike out.
The traction pad on the bottom of my boot is a bit worn, but both skis felt solidly attatched, and I skied them pretty hard before this happened without any problems.
post #5 of 14

Have you tried calling Salomon? I would try to do that and see what they have to say. You are within their specs range, maybe they will tell you something useful. 

post #6 of 14
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Originally Posted by mfa81 View Post

Have you tried calling Salomon? I would try to do that and see what they have to say. You are within their specs range, maybe they will tell you something useful. 
Well, if I call Salomon, they are NOT going to tell me their binding sucks and it will break again. There is no recall on these either.
post #7 of 14

If you bought these from an authorized Salomon dealer, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't help you out.

post #8 of 14
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Originally Posted by gregmerz View Post

If you bought these from an authorized Salomon dealer, I'd be surprised if they wouldn't help you out.

I agree, well I haven't heard about salomon bindings but it's not uncommon for Marker (there are a few posts here in the forum) to replace bindings that broke apart while skiing by skiers within the spec range, also pretty common on MTB forums to get a new carbon frame after breaking one apart on trails. You should get new bindings!

post #9 of 14

didnt the shop test the binding? something's missing here.

post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

didnt the shop test the binding? something's missing here.

What do you mean by "test?"

post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

didnt the shop test the binding? something's missing here.

 

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Originally Posted by Monc View Post

What do you mean by "test?"

If they mounted it, they should have tested it. Bindings should be calibrated to make sure the release retention is accurate. I am assuming that you were not slamming the boot against the toe to clean off the snow from the bottom of the boot. But I will say, in having dealt with hundreds of these bindings...these don't just break. We are not getting all the information here...something is missing. 

post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 

If they mounted it, they should have tested it. Bindings should be calibrated to make sure the release retention is accurate. I am assuming that you were not slamming the boot against the toe to clean off the snow from the bottom of the boot. But I will say, in having dealt with hundreds of these bindings...these don't just break. We are not getting all the information here...something is missing. 


Well, you have pretty much all the information I have. I wasn't doing anything insane or out of the ordinary when it broke, I just found a small, unexpected terrain feature, and fell.

I own another pair of these bindings on my less fat skis, and I've had much harder falls, hit bigger features, and skied a ton more on them (150-200 days, as opposed to 2 days), and they look and feel like they did when I first skied them.

 

With what you've said, this leaves me with the two possibilities I had pretty much decided on already; Either the bindings have some kind of 1/100000000000000 defect, or, more likely, and much scarier, the tech at the shop did something wrong, and I failed to notice it when I picked my skis up.

More pictures of the toe piece.

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post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

Well, I'm not sure anyone if anyone cares or not, but I figured I'd post the results anyways.

 

I took my bindings and skis back to the shop I bought them from, and they (almost) immediately replaced the bindings. They didn't have STH 14s in stock, so I paid a little extra to have STH 16s. So, now I'm waiting for the response from Salomon as to the mode of failure. The person from Salomon that the guy in the shop talked to also said this has never, ever happened before, and didn't believe the guy in the shop when he told him what broke.

 

Is there anything I should check to make sure the mounting was done correctly?

post #14 of 14

Just purchased STH 14 from Backcounty on clearance. The front toe bindings should release at 58 n found them  at 110n.  My ski shop told me not to use them. Had them checked by other shops, same issues, do not use. Have to wait until next fall to get replacements. Solomon does not seem concern with the issue.

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