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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 

My quiver has a large hole in it. Too many soft powder skis - S7, Katana, Cochise, Sidestash, etc.

 

My narrowist ski is an old Atomic Kailas, which if memory serves me is a backcountry version of the original Snoop Daddy (~88mm).

 

I need a ski for the impending Juneuary conditions (ICE) that we get every January in Tahoe (at least the last couple).

 

But, I'm a big guy (6'6", 210 lbs), advanced to expert skier, who likes speed, non-racing backgound. They all seem ridiculoulsy short, coming from the big mountain genre. 

 

My Sidestash has pretty good grip for a 108mm ski, but I'm sure there are much better options out there.

 

Oh yeah, I'm not looking to spend a grand on a ski with the latest gadgetry, although the Kastles look like a great ski.

 

Any recommendations, especially in the value oriented segment? 

post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by JB Smoovee View Post

My quiver has a large hole in it. Too many soft powder skis - S7, Katana, Cochise, Sidestash, etc.

My narrowist ski is an old Atomic Kailas, which if memory serves me is a backcountry version of the original Snoop Daddy (~88mm).

I need a ski for the impending Juneuary conditions (ICE) that we get every January in Tahoe (at least the last couple).

But, I'm a big guy (6'6", 210 lbs), advanced to expert skier, who likes speed, non-racing backgound. They all seem ridiculoulsy short, coming from the big mountain genre. 

My Sidestash has pretty good grip for a 108mm ski, but I'm sure there are much better options out there.

Oh yeah, I'm not looking to spend a grand on a ski with the latest gadgetry, although the Kastles look like a great ski.

Any recommendations, especially in the value oriented segment? 

Nordica Fire Arrow 80ti. I use this ski in Mammoth for spring skiing and on hard pack days. Holds a great edge, solid carver and is decent int he wind buff. Not good for anything deep or chunky, but will handle shin high stuff with ease.

Non budget choice, Nordica Fire Arrow 84 EDT. On my list, haven't skied but heard great things about it. Seems more veristile with wider waste.

I also really like the Volkl RTM 84, but not budget.

If you're on Sierra Trading Post's email alerts, they send out a 35% off deal from time to time. Last time, you could get the 80ti for under $500 w/ binding. It's last years model, but only the graphic changed and last years looks better anyway.
post #3 of 21

First question is how serious a carver do you want? I ask this b/c there are a lot of skis that (for lack of a better term) I categorize as "versatile frontsiders" These are skis that fall into the ~~ 85mm range and ski very well on groomers but have just enough compliance in the torsional and overall flex to be a little bit versatile in the soft stuff at the edges of the runs or fully off piste when it hasn't snowed in a while. Most of these can be had in low 180's lengths. These will run in the range of say $650 - $750 flat with the Kastles going for about $1,000 or so.

 

Then there are the real deal, trench diggers that are almost race skis. These will carve circles around the versatiles but of course aren't as uhhhhhhh........versatile. These skis will be in the ~~ 72mm range, will be plated, and could double as a masters race ski and in some cases are marketed as such. These will mostly top out in the high 170's range with a few going as long 183-185. These will run approx $800 flat and plated (some come with bindings @ around $1,100 system. The Kastles will again run around $1,000 flat.

 

Then there are a few "uber carvers" these are usually something in the mid 80's in width and with technology laden integrated constructions to enhance grip and dampening" These will grip nearly as well as the trench diggers but will be slightly more versatile. The payback here is that they are not as quick, nimble and racy feeling as the diggers. These will run about $1,300 for a ski/binding system.

 

I have lived in Tahoe for 30+ years, weigh as much or more than you and have a technical skiing background. I always have one or both of the first two categories (this year both) so that I can go out during the "January low" and practice race turns on the groomers. (Did that today in fact on a Head iSpeed Magnum 177). That is one of many great examples of the trench digger.

 

On the value category thing......I assume that you mean mid priced skis like maybe $699 w/bindings or somesuch. I'm guessing from your self description that these are not really adequate for your ability level let alone your size. You can sometimes find old stock race skis at lower prices than rec skis believe it or not. These will usually be GS skis in the longer lengths such as 188-191 ish. These will give you all the grip and stability you could ask for although you do need a bit of space to turn 'em.

 

Hope that gives you the the lay of the land so to speak.

 

SJ

post #4 of 21

SierraJim,

 

Nicely said about what to look for, it is likely one of the best logical reasons in what to look for and why, depending on what a skier wants to do, that is un-biased and also gives the disadvantages.

 

I would ask that perhaps you could fluff this out a bit more to cover all of the skis and conditions and post it as a Guide to SKI Selection, maybe leave brands out as this could be valid for a good period of time.  I just assume that you could do this in the generous amounts of free time that you have biggrin.gif as long as it doesn't cutting into skiing of course.

 

G

post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 

Jim, thanks for the thorough reply.  I don't think I've ever skied a true carver (your category II) but that sounds like it would be fun on a rock hard day.  Since I have the soft snow ski covered, I'm thinking low 80s, high 70s underfoot.  I've seen some good prices on Volkl Racetiger GS skis, any thoughts?

 

I hate to buy skis early season and pay close to full price, but if I wait to till spring, I probably won't have a need for this carver ski until next year.  Anything in your closeout stock that might fit me?Please PM.

post #6 of 21

Ha!  Categories I, II and III pretty much cover 99% of the skis we see down here (if you include full-on race skis in category II).  Then again, you can occasionally see the odd person sliding sideways down the refrozen granular on 188cm Rossi S7s (and loving it!).

 

Sorry.  End of thread drift.

post #7 of 21
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I hate to buy skis early season and pay close to full price, but if I wait to till spring, I probably won't have a need for this carver ski until next year.  Anything in your closeout stock that might fit me?Please PM.

 

Used skis can often be a good value, if low-mileage ... especially once you know exactly what you want. Sorry if I missed a reason earlier in the thread about why this might not be an option for you, but there seems to be an assumption here that you have to budget for new-new, not new-to-you. This may be limiting your imagination.

post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

SierraJim,


 

I would ask that perhaps you could fluff this out a bit more to cover all of the skis and conditions and post it as a Guide to SKI Selection, maybe leave brands out as this could be valid for a good period of time.  I just assume that you could do this in the generous amounts of free time that you have biggrin.gif as long as it doesn't cutting into skiing of course.

 

G

 

Har................I'd be laughing in me beer except that's sorta already done..........sorta. I have an in house sales training piece that I write each year. This year's version is about categories and characteristics with a longish dissertation on technical parameters such as torsion etc. I'd never subject anybody online to this thing b/c it's like 9 pages long. I sorta think that this might be buried someplace on our website or in our blog. If I can find it, I'll PM you a link (or) if you really want, I'll C&P the whole durn thing. If I printed it, it would overwhelm a carrier pigeon so......uhhhh.....that's prob'ly out.

 

SJ

post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by JB Smoovee View Post

Jim, thanks for the thorough reply.  I don't think I've ever skied a true carver (your category II) but that sounds like it would be fun on a rock hard day.  Since I have the soft snow ski covered, I'm thinking low 80s, high 70s underfoot.  I've seen some good prices on Volkl Racetiger GS skis, any thoughts?

 

I hate to buy skis early season and pay close to full price, but if I wait to till spring, I probably won't have a need for this carver ski until next year.  Anything in your closeout stock that might fit me?Please PM.

 

A Volkl Racetiger GS could be a lot of different things soooooo.............not much help there. I have some earlier model 188 Blizzard FIS GS skis from about $400 or so depending...........

 

Other than that, closeout stock was pretty much depleted some months ago. I have some current masters skis that I can help you out a little bit with (category II) but they won't be like dirt cheap or anything. I'll send a PM if you have something specific in mind. If you just want to talk about it....call. I'm usually there every day although sometimes not until 12 or 1PM

 

FWIW......a true carver will get 10-20 days of use for me every year. The January low is real.....it happens almost every year and it's almost always the same. Snow quits after the last snow in Dec. and for 2-5 weeks, the sun is low, it's dang cold, and it doesn't snow. The snow ranges from chalky and firm to downright hard and a lot of folks stay home. I use this time to satiate my "need for speed" and go out and rip around for an hour or three trying for more than one in a row of that perfect race turn. I'll use a category II ski in the 177-183 range for this and when it spits a 6" surprise, I'll go with a category I.

 

SJ

post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

 

A Volkl Racetiger GS could be a lot of different things soooooo.............not much help there. I have some earlier model 188 Blizzard FIS GS skis from about $400 or so depending...........

 

Other than that, closeout stock was pretty much depleted some months ago. I have some current masters skis that I can help you out a little bit with (category II) but they won't be like dirt cheap or anything. I'll send a PM if you have something specific in mind. If you just want to talk about it....call. I'm usually there every day although sometimes not until 12 or 1PM

 

FWIW......a true carver will get 10-20 days of use for me every year. The January low is real.....it happens almost every year and it's almost always the same. Snow quits after the last snow in Dec. and for 2-5 weeks, the sun is low, it's dang cold, and it doesn't snow. The snow ranges from chalky and firm to downright hard and a lot of folks stay home. I use this time to satiate my "need for speed" and go out and rip around for an hour or three trying for more than one in a row of that perfect race turn. I'll use a category II ski in the 177-183 range for this and when it spits a 6" surprise, I'll go with a category I.

 

SJ

Well, the impending tahoe dumpage (2'-5' over the next 4-5 days) has temporarily cured my carving crave (Super 7s are salivating in the corner..).  That said, the 188 Blizzard GS Magnesium looks like the kind of tool that will make me a better skier, and provide some great turns in the rock hard conditions.  High speed GS turns are what I like, as long as the snow is relatively smooth.   Murphy's law is if I buy this ski, Junuary won't happen this year!

 

I'll probably take you up on that ski, can you give me a deal on bindings to match?

post #11 of 21

That Blizzi race ski is a captive system. You have eggzactly one choice in bindings........Ie: Marker M-16.0 race. They run about $269 for racers.

 

SJ

post #12 of 21

Just curious,

What year is that Blizzard 188 GS with bindings for $669 +tax?

post #13 of 21
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Just curious,

What year is that Blizzard 188 GS with bindings for $669 +tax?

 

2011

 

SJ

post #14 of 21

At the risk of having the Start Haus team declare me "persona non gratia" for life, there is a smoking deal in the Epic Gear forums for a GS ski. He has bindings for the ski also.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/115920/new-2011-fischer-wc-gs-hole-ski-183cm-250-shipped-deal-of-the-season

 

The seller is a Tahoe area resident (Scotskier), real name Ray and takes care of his equipment very well. 

post #15 of 21
If you get a chance try the Kastle RX 12.
post #16 of 21

OP: Sierra Jim's original response is gold. Balanced, realistic for the area. Don't quite agree about how much less versatile a 72-ish carver is, but nitpicking. Stick with his cuts. You don't want a GS ski, or even a sub 70 rec race ski, for thaws at Tahoe. Don't live there, but started skiing north shore areas in 1958. Something in the 70-72 range will get you all the performance you'll need and be a lot more (here's that word again) versatile than a rec race ski. (Keep in mind that during thaws, Tahoe has been known to get those thing called moguls.)

 

Given what you already own, in fact, something in the 78-84 range makes the most sense. If you have the $$, the Kastle MX78 or MX83 will give you everything you want. Have heard great things about the Nordie FA 84, will be less expensive, less refined, just as grippy and strong, waay more bang for the buck. The Head Titan is a great large guy's ski, deep sidecut married to uber stabile construction and surprising power, so you can get float, pop, and carving at a weirdly short length + decent price. If you want a more traditional sidecut and length with some mild rocker, the Head REV85 is your ticket. The Blizzard 8.0 Ti would work too, if you like some mild tail rocker. 

post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

At the risk of having the Start Haus team declare me "persona non gratia" for life, there is a smoking deal in the Epic Gear forums for a GS ski. He has bindings for the ski also.

http://www.epicski.com/t/115920/new-2011-fischer-wc-gs-hole-ski-183cm-250-shipped-deal-of-the-season

The seller is a Tahoe area resident (Scotskier), real name Ray and takes care of his equipment very well. 

I too would give props to any Ray deal!

However, give. The turnover on racer stock slaloms, I'd go for a used & softened 165 sl, if you are not a racer, pull the plate & ski them without!
post #18 of 21

Ray is a great skier but he is just a tad bit smaller than the OP........................that's why he can race on "girls" GS skis......................ROTF.gif

 

SJ

post #19 of 21
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Ray is a great skier but he is just a tad bit smaller than the OP........................that's why he can race on "girls" GS skis......................ROTF.gif

 

SJ

 

way to make fun of an invalid SJ!!!!  biggrin.gif    Would snowfight.gif if I had more than one good hand!

 

still. point taken, and also why the 183/27ms are for sale!.  Decided I can no longer live with the opprobium of being outed for being on "girls" skisfrown.gif so putting on the "semi big boy pants" and switching to  a 186/188 27m Fischer instead smile.gif.  Interestingly enough, was training on the 186 before my wrist injury and it was noticeably more ski than than the 183.  Definitely had to be much more "on" it all the time but when committed it gave back a lot more and was that much more solid through the course.  Didn't have it "on the clock" but subjectively reckon it should be worth ~ a second in a Masters GS for me after a bit more training time on it.

 

So the "girls skis" are for sale!I

 

Oh, and to the OP, that 2011 Blizzard GS SJ was offering is an excellent ski.  I had a lot of success on the 182 "girls" version last year!.  

post #20 of 21

I have an option to you may wish to consider. I have a almost new pair of Head Super shape iSpeeds. This ski is in the "trench digger" category. The skis are 184 CM,118/69/101 with 17.0 turn radius.Bindings are Head/Tyrolia 16 D.I.N. .These are 2011 models with the KERS system.$450.00 shipped.These are all but new,part of a 4 ski overlapping quiver.PM if interested. John

post #21 of 21

Ray,

 

Since I made fun of your girl sized feet, I'll throw the snow balls for you with both hands, won't want the one arm to get tired biggrin.gif as your need that to drink the Christmas cheer.

 

Everyone Merry Christmas and Happy New Year with lots of skiing.

 

G

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