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Thread Starter 

I'm considering new Powder/Off Piste skis.  I've skied the S7 and like it a lot off piste, in chop, and in heavy snow but did not like the floppy elfen tip in ski-outs or on piste.  I've also considered the new version of the S7 with metal (Super7), but haven't heard many things about the ski from others.  

I'm:

49 

5'10"

220 lbs.

old school trained, transitioning to new school - adapting to wider stance, greater lateral movement, etc

Strong technical skills, less experience off piste than on, but don't like skis which I have to stay so focused on that they shorten my day.

Daily Drivers: Monster IM78 (old), Rev85Pro (new)

 

I'm considering new Powder/Off Piste skis.  I've skied the S7 and like it a lot off piste, in chop, and in heavy snow but did not like the floppy elfen tip in ski-outs or on piste.  I've also considered the new version of the S7 with metal (Super7), but haven't heard many things about the ski from others.  I'm looking for a moderate combination of stable and relaxing from the ski.  It's kind of like I'm looking for a more senior-level "game improvement" ski.

 

I'm not generally "a charger" per se, but my core faces down the fall line a lot of the time.  I like longer ski days as opposed to being spent after a few runs from "too much ski to stay on top of".  Is it too much to ask for improved stability without having to be on top of the ski all day long?  

 

Would appreciate input from the group on these skis and length.  Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Feel free to thrown in any other skis you think are worth considering..

 

J

post #2 of 16
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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post

I'm considering new Powder/Off Piste skis.  I've skied the S7 and like it a lot off piste, in chop, and in heavy snow but did not like the floppy elfen tip in ski-outs or on piste.  I've also considered the new version of the S7 with metal (Super7), but haven't heard many things about the ski from others.  

I'm:

49 

5'10"

220 lbs.

old school trained, transitioning to new school - adapting to wider stance, greater lateral movement, etc

Strong technical skills, less experience off piste than on, but don't like skis which I have to stay so focused on that they shorten my day.

Daily Drivers: Monster IM78 (old), Rev85Pro (new)

 

I'm considering new Powder/Off Piste skis.  I've skied the S7 and like it a lot off piste, in chop, and in heavy snow but did not like the floppy elfen tip in ski-outs or on piste.  I've also considered the new version of the S7 with metal (Super7), but haven't heard many things about the ski from others.  I'm looking for a moderate combination of stable and relaxing from the ski.  It's kind of like I'm looking for a more senior-level "game improvement" ski.

 

I'm not generally "a charger" per se, but my core faces down the fall line a lot of the time.  I like longer ski days as opposed to being spent after a few runs from "too much ski to stay on top of".  Is it too much to ask for improved stability without having to be on top of the ski all day long?  

 

Would appreciate input from the group on these skis and length.  Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Feel free to thrown in any other skis you think are worth considering..

 

J


186-191 Billygoat.

post #3 of 16

well, I think you have a good list in the OP, but your size is a factor here. a lot of the 'easy going" pow boards may not be appropriate at your 220, I sound like a broken record but demo if you can. I think you will be fine with a ski like the G-smoke, super 7, 112 and a nordica patron. I will even through out Icelantic RKR, Katana too.  Bottom line: there are a bunch of really nice 110-125 powder skis out there but you need to get on a few to see which style fits you best.  The rocker profiles, flex and construction can vary greatly in these ski's making them the most diverse group in the quiver. 

post #4 of 16

I have added links to the side of this page for these, three skis, I have reviewed them all. I would say for what you are asking for, the 186 Gunsmoke would be the best of three. The other skis that I would suggest, would be the NEW Line Influence 115 or the Salomon Rocker2 115, both have a little less rise in the tail, which could hold up your stout frame a bit better. 

post #5 of 16

^^^^ These are excellent suggestions. If you don't like the front of the S7, the Super won't solve your issues. At your size, not sure the Head REV 105 would give you what you want, and you might find the 112RP a bit nervous in variable snow given what you like in mid-fats. So yeah, the Gunsmoke, Line 115, Sollie 115 (if you are looking for a light, loose feel like the S7 but with more stability). I might throw in the Elan 1010, which is light and easy to maneuver but has a damp, smooth feel, nice entry ski for powder and new school techniques. 

post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 

More background.  I skied the Monster for years, but I rapidly grew away from it.  I loved the dampness, but found the ski heavy and honestly, more work than I want these days.  I'm much happier on the REV85, but wish it was a little wider and/or slightly firmer to have a little more versatility.  

 

On the daily driver front and as another point of reference, I skied the Kabookie a couple of weeks back.  I found it to be a very interesting ski with decent flotation but wished it offered a slightly smaller native radius.  I found it skied almost identical to the Bonafide, and liked the additional snow feel of the non-metal approach.  The Kabookie felt pretty darn stable to me at speed.  

 

Thanks for all your input and advice.

post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by JRO92009 View Post

More background.  I skied the Monster for years, but I rapidly grew away from it.  I loved the dampness, but found the ski heavy and honestly, more work than I want these days.  I'm much happier on the REV85, but wish it was a little wider and/or slightly firmer to have a little more versatility.  

 

On the daily driver front and as another point of reference, I skied the Kabookie a couple of weeks back.  I found it to be a very interesting ski with decent flotation but wished it offered a slightly smaller native radius.  I found it skied almost identical to the Bonafide, and liked the additional snow feel of the non-metal approach.  The Kabookie felt pretty darn stable to me at speed.  

 

Thanks for all your input and advice.

The Rev90 might have been a better choice than the 85. 

post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post

Sollie 115 (if you are looking for a light, loose feel like the S7 but with more stability).

 

I want more time on mine before I write an actual review, but this is a pretty good description.  I would add that the Rocker2 115 definitely wants to go faster than the S7... and kind of demands it (in a good way).  But I only weigh 170 pounds and have the 188 so it would be less demanding presumably for someone larger than me.

post #9 of 16
Don't take 112rp from your list. It's basically a ski that S7 should have been.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

Don't take 112rp from your list. It's basically a ski that S7 should have been.

If you wanted the S7 to have a comical splay, and ridiculous turn radius.

post #11 of 16

Bodacious

 

At 5'11" 250 I find the Bodacious 185 a solid stable damp performer that loves to take decreasing radius input without bucking you off.

 

They are a tame gigantic bull that will pivot, smear, or rail(with intent) at any speed and I have yet to make them complain.  The tips look like crust penetrators and I have not had them in any deep stuff, but hey they are 118 with rocker and do not expect any problems.

post #12 of 16

The age factor is kicking in I am 62 years old and understand your thinking on this. I still ski alot and have come to the conclusion that i also do not want to be on a ski that i have to be on top off all the time like the ullrs chariots. I  want to relax and have fun and spare my legs for the next day ,Also learned to ski the old traditional why on 210 skis but have changed over to the new school way but can still ski both styles on most skis .The head monster your riding on has metal in it and is stiff and fast ,I think you need to look at the bonifide by blizzard a all mountain ripper that does a nice job also off paste. The other thing that can change your skiing to to increase your conditioning ,if your not in good condition it just gets worse from this day on ,the condItioning is what has helped me skiing regardless of the conditions,also it will allow you to ski a wider ski for the full day, The legs just burn out on a wide ski even if you do learn how to let the ski do all the work you still have to ride them . Also the super 7 is just stiffer has the same ride it just takes more energy to turn ,the front of the ski is more stable but at speed is still soft ,most good powder skis have soft shovels and rocker , If you don t want what i call the high speed wobble and what stiff try the Volkl Gotama.I ski the mantra a lot over the past 4 years and found it to be a great traditional ride and a good new school ski for the whole Mtn .last year moved to the bonifide 180 as my daily driver for all over the mountain and in the powder also,i think the bonifide will help you to develop ,the bonifide 180/187 and cochise 177 or 185  both cool skis. Also about your ski size, it all depends on your taste and the ski but i would not go under to go under 177 , Having said that i skied on a salomon czar 166 cat skiing and Heli skiing at one time and had a blast on a short ski, a bit slower but you can turn them anywhere, and jumping of stuff ,a blast, so size is really a personal thing also i would look at the bent chetler, it is one great ride on soft snow not ice . A all time favorite with us old guys 183/192 i ski the 183 you should try the 192 it skis short you can ski it traditional or new school slow or fast ,fairly stable.
 

post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Great input about conditioning, Tugger! It feels like the "don't want too much ski" crowd is often unrepresented in recipes and forums. Magazine reviews in particular seem based towards tests by "chargers" and not well-schooled yet mellowing middle agers or those who ski less than 50 days per year.
post #14 of 16

Im 50, 5'8", 170, If you can demo any lines, I would give them a try.  I just got some Influence 105's, 179 length and am very surprised how versatile and easy these skis are to ride, very predictable, damp solid feel, hold the edge well on ice, short or long radius turns, plows through the chop, haven't had them in any powder yet but I am sure they will be fine
 

post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

If you wanted the S7 to have a comical splay, and ridiculous turn radius.

Yes, and unlike the S7 is works.    Biggest surprise I had in demoing- I expected to hate the ski and ended up buying it.  

 

To each his own...

post #16 of 16

JRO:

 

Let's go back to the beginning here. A few things that you stated in your OP would cause me to pause a bit on some of the recommendations you've gotten so far.

 

First and foremost you state that you are a "classical" type of skier. This can mean a lot of things but in general, this skier might not like a ski with the full recipe of powder magic. (ie: lots of rocker, lots of taper.......etc)

 

Second, you state you are not a charger. This means that despite your weight, you don't necessarily need an exceptionally long or stiff ski.

 

Third: Despite what some might think, powder skiing is not all that hard and a super wide ski is not always necessary.

 

So.........I'll validate one of your original candidates, the Head Rev 105. This is a ski with a medium flex, modest tip rise (conventional other than that) and a huge surface area for float. In fact, the Head 105 has similar (if not greater) surface area for flotation than a Rossi S7. The Head 105 has none of the odd feeling characteristics of the more dramatic shapes (S7, DPS, etc) and yet has plenty of lift for deep snow (other than maybe waist deep) The Head 105 in a 181 is more stable and comfortable in chopped up powder than a 188 S7 and nearly as effortless in 2 feet of untracked fluff.

 

So.....So.......you had a pretty good idea in your original post. Don't forget that one.

 

SJ

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