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post #1 of 18
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Hi, here is a close up from some Head gear by #1 skier in the world. Ive circled areas of interest to me. If you have an additions please bring them to my attention. Here my comments and Q from left to right:

 

1) Never seen a Head plate like this! Anybody have any clue? Is it attached only with two screws at the front and at the back? Why is it thin at the back? (we cant see the front)

 

2) The heel pc of the binding is very far back. The ski stopper far forwards. Or is this completely normal?

 

3) Can anything be said about the adjustment on the side? Is that black mark at 4oclock standard on Head boots?

 

4) Nothing really mystical here but the shim looks very think from this side. Its probably thin on the other side as well because any canting has been done to the boots themselves. Not the shims.

 

5) The plate is one pc solid from front to back. Not separate toe and heel pc's. It looks almost like a second ski. Its also very long. I Understand the boot is very very small and short so maybe its because of this.

 

6) There is a strong cut out to separate the toe pc from the heel pc. Is this standard on Head racing boot or a custom job?

 

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post #2 of 18

1) that is definitely  custom plate. And it does look a lot like a second ski... very interesting. who's the skier?
2) that looks fairly normal to me
3)no clue
4)that's a 3mm riser plate/shim. I use the same on my dalbello's, according to them the 3 and the 6 are to be used with different seppas. (white and yellow)
5) see 1
6)that looks like a C shape gap, but it's hard to tell from your pic

post #3 of 18

From tdk6's description, I'm guessing it's Aksel.

 

 

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1) that is definitely  custom plate. And it does look a lot like a second ski... very interesting. who's the skier?

 

 

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Hi, here is a close up from some Head gear by #1 skier in the world.

 

post #4 of 18

A finn liking a norwegian? no way! lol

post #5 of 18
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3) Can anything be said about the adjustment on the side? Is that black mark at 4o'clock standard on Head boots?

 

 

I would say that is a reference mark to show where the cuff canting should be. They probably set the boot up and then marked it with a sharpie at 4o'clock.

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Hi, here is a close up from some Head gear by #1 skier in the world. Ive circled areas of interest to me. If you have an additions please bring them to my attention. Here my comments and Q from left to right:


5) The plate is one pc solid from front to back. Not separate toe and heel pc's. It looks almost like a second ski. Its also very long. I Understand the boot is very very small and short so maybe its because of this.

I don't know anything about this plate, which looks like a unique item from the piece screwed into the ski, but Vist makes a lot of plates that are solid all the way with no separate heel and toe pieces.

post #7 of 18
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A finn liking a norwegian? no way! lol

 

Thats rigth, its Vonn.... rolleyes.gif

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by jzamp View Post

1) that is definitely  custom plate. And it does look a lot like a second ski... very interesting. who's the skier?
2) that looks fairly normal to me
3)no clue
4)that's a 3mm riser plate/shim. I use the same on my dalbello's, according to them the 3 and the 6 are to be used with different seppas. (white and yellow)
5) see 1
6)that looks like a C shape gap, but it's hard to tell from your pic

 

 

Hi, its deffinetly a different kind of gap. In your pic the gap is a wide U shape. The exact same I have on one of my jr red racing boots from Head. Vonns different...

post #9 of 18

I wish we could have PBB's insight on this... biggrin.gif

post #10 of 18

Hi,

1.Yes.That is custom plate only for GS. L.Vonn used it in the last season.

2.It's normal.Heel is moved back to the marginal position.

3.Yes.Skingblind is right.That is a reference mark.Marked it with some permanent marker pen.I was making the same mark on the Raptors for my girlfriendsmile.gif

4.Head has 3mm and 5mm lifters.

6.Plugs from Head's RD for WC racers are a little different then a normal Raptor plugs,but your picture has poor quality, so you can see what is not therebiggrin.gifVonn has the same U shape as the other racers.

post #11 of 18

crap! I was wrong. :-(

 

Look out for Maze this year.
 

 

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Thats rigth, its Vonn.... rolleyes.gif

post #12 of 18
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Hi,

1.Yes.That is custom plate only for GS. L.Vonn used it in the last season.

2.It's normal.Heel is moved back to the marginal position.

3.Yes.Skingblind is right.That is a reference mark.Marked it with some permanent marker pen.I was making the same mark on the Raptors for my girlfriendsmile.gif

4.Head has 3mm and 5mm lifters.

6.Plugs from Head's RD for WC racers are a little different then a normal Raptor plugs,but your picture has poor quality, so you can see what is not therebiggrin.gifVonn has the same U shape as the other racers.

 

Thanks arsi for the info.

1. Is there any more info on the plate somewhere?

3. Can the position indicate any particular setup, lets say more or less canting?

6. You are right. Its the same kind of U shape. Its just that the boot is tilted forwards and the toe lug doesent show on the photo.

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by vsirin View Post

I don't know anything about this plate, which looks like a unique item from the piece screwed into the ski, but Vist makes a lot of plates that are solid all the way with no separate heel and toe pieces.

 

Yes, but the ones I have seen on Heads all have separate heel and toe pcs. I could be wrong since I dont have any new Heads arround my house. I liked the old Vist plate, the one with the rubber in the middle. Now I use only Piston Plates so Im out of the Vist loop.

post #14 of 18

1.I don't have any infos about that plate.I think,it's the noncommercial work of her technician.

3.Very difficult to say if it's individual settings.OK.Upper cuff is slightly inclined to the outer edge.I don't know the exact degree.biggrin.gif

6.If you want,I can send you some pics in better resolution.

 

Head mounted as a standard on SL/GS skis racing plate Tyrolia RDX and on SG/DH skis racing plate Vist.

post #15 of 18
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crap! I was wrong. :-(

 

Look out for Maze this year.
 

 

 

smile.gif

post #16 of 18

The plate? Seems a reincarnation of some Derbyflex/Deflex-like product of the 1990s. Fairly familiar.

Why to use it? Maybe be to increase the torsional rigidity of the ski (better grip), maybe to stiffen it in the middle and let the ends be softer to help the maneuverability.

Maybe also to change the weight distribution with more weight under the boot and less swing weight fore/aft.

Or maybe, just simply better vibration dampening? It used to be quite a topic back in the 80s a nd 90s but disappered to some extent later. Those sophisticated plates were gone and lighter plastic pieces came almost giving up vibration filtering. Head was working on some race plate using roller bearings or so but the plate, to my knowledge, never appered in a race. Instead, an older and proven solution might work as well? Would a heavier quieter and smoother DH/SG ski be faster? I guess it would or could, esp. on some runs and course sets.

Considering the small size of Lins´ boots the plate seems to be about as long as the plates of the type used to be.

 

The riser plate on the boots: don´t they experiment with those 45 mm stanheight FIS wanted to introduce on DH skis?

 

Head boots are produced in factory at Litovel, Czech Republic. Top worldcuppers get their individual shells based on their foot shape using individual forms. There might be some minor differences. Not to forget their gear is typically what the skiers lower in the pecking order get a season later.

As we know, there are wild rumors circulating as to the miracle(s) in Head skis, fueled mostly by Ted´s performance and winning margins in GS.

post #17 of 18
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checkracer, thanks for the insight. The plate plays a major role in how a ski bends and a rigid non flexing plate would change the skis performance for sure. Lots of aspects to it as you point out. No, I have not heared any Head rumors. What are they?

post #18 of 18
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The plate? Seems a reincarnation of some Derbyflex/Deflex-like product of the 1990s. Fairly familiar.

 

They look almost identical to the old Derbyflex plates I used to use on my GS skis many years ago.  Maybe somebody has figured out that the old plate technology works nicely with the new FIS skis.  What was old is new again.

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