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Need a good ski selection for upstate NY crud?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 


LOCATION: north east groomers (Rochester NY) lots of ice.
HEIGHT/AGE/WEIGHT 5'6 / 35 / 160
ABILITY LEVEL Type 3 advanced
BUDGET less than $800
WHAT KIND OF SKI DO YOU WANT:
Something that can handle ice, bumps, some jumps, and has a somewhat above average turn radius for quick turns. Something that I can do a little bit of everything with from bombing straight down to doing moguls and some jumps.

The guy at my shop recommended the liberty morphic or the armada alpha 1.

What other options should I look at or should I select one of the above? Also what binding? 

post #2 of 18

For those conditions, where my Atomic D2 SLs would be no fun, I picked up a set of Elan Amphibio 82XTi's. I didn't put a lot of emphasis on the the left/right specific ski thing, but the carve well on hard pack, are stiff enough for (near) full out runs, and wide enough to bust crud or the rare days where there is some new snow still on the hill. These are the go to skis on most days, while the D2s are for the groomer, hard pack days.
 

post #3 of 18

I'm in upstate NY too and just added a Kastle LX82 to the quiver for the non-icepick days.  For the hardpack/ice days around here I think a low 70s mm waist race carver is still the best.  Bought the LX for crud, spring slop, softer snow days at Whiteface, Killington, Gore.  I ski mostly groomers and some bumps but rarely trees - no park/pipe.  I dont expect the LX to be great for deep days but seems like I never luck into a deep day anyway.  Can't wait to see how they do.  I found a very lightly used pair of last year's model on the gear swap here -- a good place to look.  Also considered Head Rev series and Dynastar Outland series after much epic forum search time.  Suggest you try searching for "Crazy 88s" or "Wonderfulness of Medium" on this forum and read on...

Cheers.

post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 

I hear you on the Head Rev series (80 pro perhaps) and the Dynastars but I'm afraid I couldn't take those skiis off jumps....what do you think?

post #5 of 18

^^^^ Hi - What I'm hearing is that you want a twin or something that can handle the park or natural features once in a while, but still has an edge for carving ice. At your budget, would suggest something like the Nordica Dead Money or Ace of Spades Ti (if you ski switch a lot), maybe an new older model Stockli Rotor 84, or if you're more oriented toward directional skiing but like to get air once in a while, then the Nordica Firearrow 80 is a nice ski. Think they have some very cheap at Ski.com right now. Personally, I'd stay away from the skis you've been recommended simply because they do not have metal, do not have reputations for grip or stability, and both have rocker. More very good park skis that can handle normal groomers than all-mountains that can handle everything from ice to the park. 

post #6 of 18
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The Stockli's are too expensive,  I'd like a twin tip or a directional that can take a jump every now and then and flex to the point where I won't break the metal in it.  

 

The nordica's might be a good suggestion but I'm afraid I will rupture the metal.  So I almost need a stiff park ski that can handle icey groomers and high speeds.  Or I guess maybe your telling me that doesn't exist...

post #7 of 18

Well, it isn't common, and tough to meet the criterion of no metal + solid on ice and in crud. The Dead Money is without metal, I think, and is said to carve well although it's no crud crusher. You might also look at some Volkls like the Kink. The Armada El Rey or AR7 are decently stiff in the middle, moderate at the ends, so might work. But yeah, you're asking for a lot; park skis are designed to be springy at tip and tail, which makes them get deflected by stiff crud and creates a short running length with a vague finish to the carve. 

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by csj0951 View Post

The Stockli's are too expensive,  I'd like a twin tip or a directional that can take a jump every now and then and flex to the point where I won't break the metal in it.  

 

The nordica's might be a good suggestion but I'm afraid I will rupture the metal.  So I almost need a stiff park ski that can handle icey groomers and high speeds.  Or I guess maybe your telling me that doesn't exist...

Have you seen instances of "ruptured" metal? Some of the most durable skis out there seem to have metal and I've never heard of it being a problem for even big drops, much less the occasional jump.

 

If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about having metal in the type of ski that you're looking for.

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ok I will concede the no metal rule. I don't think my local shop sells nordica thou.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
I do like some pop in my skiis and taking jumps backwards etc. but I do primarily ski on icy groomers. :/ tough requirements I know
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 
What about volkyls?
post #12 of 18

So if you will only buy skis that your local shop sells, why don't you tell us what brands they do sell.  Then people can quit wasting their time recommending another ski that you will refuse to consider for one reason or another.

post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by MarcusBrody View Post

Have you seen instances of "ruptured" metal? Some of the most durable skis out there seem to have metal and I've never heard of it being a problem for even big drops, much less the occasional jump.

 

If I were you, I wouldn't worry too much about having metal in the type of ski that you're looking for.

 

 

Similarly, have you seen the punishment in slow-motion that race skis with two layers of metal go through in flex, slap, and jumps in speed events etc. Granted, everyting has it's limits and if you can find that limit, I suspect that bending a ski is the leaset of your worries at that point.

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
Ok I will go back to the drawing board. Thanks for the help.
post #15 of 18

What about something like a Head Rock n' Roll? It's heavy and has metal, so it will hold an edge and bust crud with ease. And it's got your twin tip for taking jumps backwards. At 95 underfoot, it may be a little wider than what you're looking for... but then again maybe not. I had the Mojo 94 and it certainly railed east coast ice when I put it on edge, and it busted through crud out when I took it west. If you're not into the looks or price of the R&R, the older John 94 or Mojo 94 is pretty much the same ski IIRC, and you may be able to pick up a pair cheaply. The R&R has a little tip rocker which the John/Mojo lacked, but it may actually be better without the rocker for the things you want.

 

Edit: Just checked Head's site and I'm not sure the Rock 'n Roll is the same construction as the John/Mojo 94, since it now says sandwich cap construction. Pretty sure my Mojo was a full vertical sidewall ski. Someone can probably clarify this.

post #16 of 18

K2 Extreme/Public Enemy

 

http://www.epicski.com/products/2010-k2-extreme

 

For better park performance and better grip on ice, mount 4cm forward of the rear mounting line.  For pure all mountain, mount 2 cm forward of the rear mounting line.

 

I would go with 164 cm or 169 cm if I were you.  K2's measurement system was odd at the time, the skis are longer than the indicated lengths. 

 

Find 'em online for around $300.

 

STE

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 

Public enemy was said to be heavy in reviews...looks like a good good ski otherwise though.  Here are some of the skiis I was researching.  Are there any you guys would recommend over others?

 

I tried to keep the waist below 94.  I like a tight turn radius too since I like skiing quick turns and bumps. 

 

Solomon Threat Size 171, Radius 18.5, 122-85-112
Solomon Twenty-Twelve 171, 123-91-116
Volkl Kink 171 Radius 21.3 122-89-112
Volkl Kendo 170, Radius 20.5, 126-89-110
Nordica El Paco 169, 124-87-114
Scott Crusade 169, Turn Radius 14, 130-90-119
Atomic Vantage Panic 165, Radius 17, 121-87-112
Line Prophet 85, 165, 118-85-108
Line Cronic 171, 121-92-117
Armada El Rey 171, Radius 17.5, 121-85-111
Liberty Morphic 171, Radius 21, 126-94-119
Nordica Dead Money 170 Radius 18, 121-86-110
post #18 of 18

Hi

 

The Dynastars Outland 80/87 are without metal and quite good in the crud. But no twins

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