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Want To Buy Intermediate Level Ski Equipment For 13 Year Old Boy. Help Me Choose.

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Hello, all. My daughter has outgrown here skis so we are handing down my sons equipment to her and getting him so new stuff. 

First off when we were buying kid related gear we were told that it didn't matter what brand you bought and that all kid gear was the same unless it was race stock. I have been told that in adult gear all beginner and intermediate gear is the same between manufactures and it's not until we get to the Advaced/Expert level of equipment that we see differences in performance from brand to another within a skis given discipline IE carving ski, all mtn, powder.  Is this true? If so I could chose by price and or graphic scme and that would be it. I have also heard that there is really no such thing as a beginner ski as all beginner skiers ski on intermediate ski. Is this true?I found this to be the case on Fischers web site were they rank ability from 1 to 10 and the lowest rated ski I could find was a level 4.

 

So I have 3 ski shops within 10 min from work. I have been to all three and between them all I can get most major brands. 1 of the three lists prices online. I also have a plethora of big box sporting goods stores to choose from, which I think is all right for skis but not boots.

 

My son is 13 he is 5ft 5inches 125lbs. He has taken lessons for four years. He is not a typical teen skier in that he has absolutely no interest in terrain parks, racing, moguls ect.. he does enjoy skiing but he is very timid. He skis at medium pace which is to say faster than a beginner. He will ski a steep pitch if its around 50 - 75 ft but he won't do steep runs. I would say he skis a medium radius. He hasn't learned short radius and he doesn't ski fast gs turns, but his turn do look parallel. The last level he passed was CSIA Adventure 2 which according to there description puts him at an intermediate level.His goals for that level were to 1.Initiate the turn with both skis. 2. Balance on the edges of the skis towars the end of the turns. 3. Controls speed and maintains turn shape. 4. Demonstrates timing and coordination of the pole plant. So he has achieved these goals.

 

I went to all the ski manufactures web sites and I plugged in the info to the best of my knowledge and this is what I came up with. All with in 150 to 156 cm

 

Blizzard Magnum 7.4

Volkle RTM 75

Rossignol Pursuit 12 TI Xelium

Rossignol Experience 76

Dynastar Outland 75

Head Rev 75

Fischer Progressor 700

Fischer Progressor 800

Fischer Motive X

Atomic Nomad Colt

Atomic D2V F 73

Elan Waveflex 8

K2 Photon

 

Price wise they are all within a couple of hundred dollars but if I were to buy on price alone I can get The Dynastars for 399.99 and Rossignol Experience 76 for 449.99 after that most are in the 499.99 to 599.99 range.

 

We ski at our home hill in which has just under 400 ft vertical and it's often icy. We ski Tremblant once or twice a year, and Bromont Qc once or twice a year. This year we are going to Vt and are skiing at Smugglers Notch. I don't see us heading west anytime soon though I would love to.

 

So hopefully I was able to provide enough info to get some good recommendations. It seems these skis are all pretty close waist wise  and they are relatively similar in price. So I guess what I'm asking is at this level is there one ski better that the other for what we want to do? A stand out in the crowd. Is there a ski I can take off the list so I can shorten my list? Should I add something to my list?

 

Thanks for the help.

 

Steve

post #2 of 14

If I was your daughter I would feel like a second class citizen.  She has outgrown her skis but instead of her getting new ones which might be appropriate for her, she gets her brother's used skis which may or may not be appropriate for her and he gets new ones.  Guess boys just get treated better than girls.

post #3 of 14

I have to agree with mtcyclist ... my first thought was "Ouch". 

 

From what you've posted, it's your daughter who needs new skis, not your son.  Since you want to get new skis for him, I recommend you look at used skis in good condition for both of them.  You can probably accomplish that for both of them with the $400-600 you are thinking of spending on one pair of new skis. 

post #4 of 14

I agree with the above comment, I'm the older sibling in my family and often a similar scenario has been the case between me and my younger brother.


More often though, this happens with non-specialty items, such as clothes ... But in this case your daughter would benefit from a ski for HER. Not her brother's ones ... Get her new ones and leave him on his current.

post #5 of 14
Thread Starter 

Wow everyone must be rich here. I'm the oldest child of two as well and my brother always says he feels cheated but I think here it's not the case. Look skiing is an expensive sport, I can't afford to be buying two kids new equipment every year, that is the reality of my situation. I told the kids from the get go that the younger one would be getting the hand me downs with the exception of boots some years it worked in my favor and she wore my sons and some years it hasn't and I had to buy her new boots.

 

The reality is my sons skis are a 144 and like I stated he is 5"5 inches and 125lbs, I think he could do another year with those no problem as the skis are chin level. My daughter is only 10 years old and is 5ft and 120lbs she is currently on a pair of 130cm that are between her Chest and her chin. I will add that even though she may be stockier than her brother she is definitely more athletic and aggressive. They are both at the same level ski lesson wise though I suspect my daughter will surpass my son this year. Last year my son was 5ft 1inch and 112 lbs when he started out on his 144cm. My son made the leap from 130cm to 144cm no problem and I think my daughter would handle the jump no problem as well.

I'm just trying to do what makes the most sense economically and from what I see that means hand me downs for my daughter, if I'm wrong that's fine, if my daughter is better served by being on a 135cm - 137cm so be it. That is why I come here seeking advice.

 

I will say we spend tons more money on my daughter than my son when it comes to sports. My son skis and curls and that's it. My daughter skis, curls, plays basketball in a league, and she plays soccer in two different leagues. Between the $100 basketball shoes, $100 soccer cleats, the cost of enrolling her into competitive sports and soccer camps, the gas and time to drive her to soccer games that are often 45 to 60 miles away twice a week and she got a new $300 bicycle this year, my son got a new bike last year. I feel my daughter is making out pretty good. The biggest thing is since I have a boy and girls the don't even share clothes. The only hand me downs my daughter gets is ski equipment.

 

In the end if you experts don't think she could handle 144cm skis that's fine, let me know and we will change our plans, however if she can handle the 144 cm skis which come to her eye's than I think I would rather put my son on some new skis in the 150cm to 155cm range and that way both kids would get a couple of seasons on their skis at least.

 

Thanks for the advice.

 

Steve 

post #6 of 14

Steve,

 

Can't help with your son, but from what you've said about your 10yo daughter, she should be fine with a 144cm that comes to her forehead.  My daughter is 12 now.  No siblings so I went with used skis as she grew.  In order to get a couple seasons, I would get a pair that were a bit long since she is a confident skier who was taught by certified instructors starting at age 4.  I got an odd look from our ski school one time when they were separating folks into groups for an intermediate clinic one Dec.  Her skis were just over her forehead.  But as soon as she did the little assessment run, he believed me that she had been skiing with them on the harder runs the day before.

 

My daughter's skis have been 120, 130, 140.  The 130s were skis marketed to boys for racing that we found at a ski swap.  I have a 149 waiting thanks to a father on EpicSki who also buys used skis for his growing tween daughter.

 

Good luck!

post #7 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks marznc, That is was what I was thinking. I know for sure the 144cm won't fit my son next year. He has grown 4inches this last year and the year before I think it was five or six inches. He only got one year out of those 130cm. My daughter has been taller and heavier for the same age when compared to my son at the same age. I think she could handle the 144, and my son move up which, I think that makes the most economic sense. Though some people may look down, on hand me down's I think it's better than buying both kids used equipment every year or two. I know that the hand me down's are well looked after for as I am the one caring for them. I cringe when I see what people are charging for used equipment, We have four play it again sports in Ottawa trust me there are no deals to be had there. My local mtn is even worse. Every year they sell off rental skis that look like they will disingrate into nothing in no time for stupid amounts of money. If a knew someone who had equipment that was well loooked after I would be more apt to buy used, luckily for you, you seem to have found that person, which is really cool.

 

Hopefully I can find someone to answer the original question.

 

Thanks again marznc.

post #8 of 14

EasternC: Yeah, Play It Again Sports or former rental equipment is not worth the money.  But ski swaps in early season or demo skis being sold towards the end of season or used skis that have only been used by the original owner can be a good choice for growing kids.  Of course, it takes a bit of work to figure out what to look for.

 

I know several families who hand down skis.  But they aren't around EpicSki.

post #9 of 14
Thread Starter 

Just a friendly bump. I'm really hoping someone who owns or works in a ski shop could narrow my list down for me.

 

Thanks

post #10 of 14

I expect your daughter will be fine on 144 cm skis, especially if she wants to move up to them.  If she tries them and feels they’re too long, she could always drop back down to the 130s until she’s comfortable.

 

I don't follow many of the unisex skis, so I don’t have a valid opinion on most of them, but I did try the women's version of the Atomic D2 a couple of years ago.  It's a heavy ski, so I wonder if your kids would get tired of that.  I was a lower intermediate skier and had no problem with that ski, but I have heard others say that it's geared more toward an advanced skier.  Due to its weight, I probably wouldn’t buy that for a child unless said child had tried the ski and fallen in love with it.  If these are available in a local shop, you may want to test out the weight and see how they feel compared with other skis.

 

I understand it can be difficult getting things delivered to Canada.  And from what you’ve said, it’s also difficult to get used skis in good condition for a fair price.  I’m going to throw out a couple of other options - not recommending either of these, just something else to consider as you wait for others to voice opinions on the skis you’ve listed.

 

levelninesports web site - It appears they ship to Canada.  They have things like 2012 Rossignol Experience 74mm waist w/ adjustable (rental) bindings for $209.  (I have not dealt with this company. Hopefully, someone on here will chime in if this is a terrible company to deal with and you'll run into all kinds of problems shipping to Canada.)

 

Also, if you are planning to go to Vermont to ski, you might look into shops around Burlington that carry used and/or older stock.  Looks like there are several people on this forum from that area. They might be able to advise as to whether there are any good local options.

 

It sounds as if you and your kids have some good times ahead of you this season. Let’s hope the weather cooperates so you can get started on it soon!

post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply Vickieh, That is a great price for sure. I do have the Experience 76 on the list. I wonder what the difference between the Experience 74 and Experience 76 is besides the 2mm in the waist and turning radius. I also like your idea of buying in Vt but I'm only going there in March.

 

And yes let's hope the weather starts cooperating, my local hill still isn't open, I might have to take a sick day and go to Tremblant, it's only 1hr 20min away.

 

Have a great season.

post #12 of 14

EasternC: Tremblant is having a couple demo days in Dec. You could talk to brand reps directly.  Sometimes there are deals to be had as well.  I know Rossi will be there.

post #13 of 14

I can't help you on choices since we are a race family (you want to talk about expensive) but once you get it narrowed down, check out asogear.com. They are an online presence for a brick and mortar store in Mississauga (Corbett's) and they always have lots listed, including off-year skis and they ship for free in Canada. Call the 1-800 number and ask for Chris for help. If your son is a competent intermediate, I think that narrowing it down to the "right" ski will be difficult because there are so many choices in that category. They will all probably get the job done and given that he is 13 and about to grow, he'll unfortunately only be on them for 1 season anyways.

 

I'd steer away from big box (Sport Chek or Sports Experts) they don't have the proper knowledge and they will sell to you based on price point alone. If you come into Ottawa, I would try Kunstadt's because they do used/consignment as well as the major brands and they are very customer friendly. T&L carries a huge selection but honestly their customer service sucks unless you know someone in the store, and even then. Stay as far away from Dinardo's as possible (high pressure, upsell, sell what he has, not what you need).

post #14 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks marznc, I will check out the demo days if I haven,t bought already. It is sound advice.

 

Zero Gravity thanks for the advice. I have boughten from Kunstadt's in the past. I like the customer service better there but I find there prices slightly high and there selection limited and higher end like Kneissel, and Kastle. But I will say they have always treated me well, which is worth something. I can't afford to buy from Dinardo's. I used to live in Bells Corners so I have been there a few times and his prices are outrageous. I find T&L has the best selection but you are right about the customer service. It's just barely a notch up from a big box store. That is why I'm trying to get advice about my list here as I was hoping to narrow the list and then purchase from T&L but I'm having very little luck. I might just call aso and ask for Chris. Thanks so much for the tip.

 

Have a great evening.

 

Cheers

 

Steve

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