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post #31 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ecko View Post

I always follow up, generally a forum veteran - Just not on this particular forum.
The RTM was fantastic (in my limited opinion) but I thoroughly enjoyed riding it today, I'll keep it for the next 5 or so days of skiing.
Why would you not recommend it?

 

Because it is a full rocker ski and I rightly or wrongly made an assumption based on your initial post that you only ski groomers.  But, I'm glad it worked well for you and hope it continues to work well for several more days.  

post #32 of 38
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Some of the runs I've been skiing aren't groomed, but I don't ski off-piste.

Why would you think that a full-rocker ski wouldn't be suitable?

post #33 of 38

As long as the ski is working for you, I don't want to plant any thoughts in your head that may change your perception of the ski.  

post #34 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

 

 

Making up names doesn't make it different.  What is different about the geometry, flex and stance? 

 

Have a closer look at the ski taper and compare it to other Volkls. 

post #35 of 38

All women's Volkls are 20% lighter and 20% softer than the comparable men's ski (done by adding stringers of lighter, softer wood in the core). The Bio-Logic system is a combination of lower heel height in the binding (less delta) and a greater taper angle to supposedly reduce specific stresses to the knee and reduce the likely-hood of phantom foot syndrome in a backward twisting fall (the direction most women fall due to lower/farther rearward center of gravity and normal tendency to lean backward, away from the thing they fear, i.e. the hill).

 

At least, that's their claim. I haven't actually done a back-to-back comparison of, say, the original Fuego vs. the Bio-Logic Fuego, so I can't speak to any of that from experience.

 

What I can speak to, though, is that the Fuego is a solid and beefy ski with lots of spunk and that length would not have been way to short for his weight as I LOVED the older model in the 161 cm and I outweigh him by (let's just say) a LOT. Even the 154 was fun, although with some loss of stability.

 

As always, JMHO and YMMV.
 

post #36 of 38
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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post

All women's Volkls are 20% lighter and 20% softer than the comparable men's ski (done by adding stringers of lighter, softer wood in the core). The Bio-Logic system is a combination of lower heel height in the binding (less delta) and a greater taper angle to supposedly reduce specific stresses to the knee and reduce the likely-hood of phantom foot syndrome in a backward twisting fall (the direction most women fall due to lower/farther rearward center of gravity and normal tendency to lean backward, away from the thing they fear, i.e. the hill).

 

At least, that's their claim. I haven't actually done a back-to-back comparison of, say, the original Fuego vs. the Bio-Logic Fuego, so I can't speak to any of that from experience.

 

What I can speak to, though, is that the Fuego is a solid and beefy ski with lots of spunk and that length would not have been way to short for his weight as I LOVED the older model in the 161 cm and I outweigh him by (let's just say) a LOT. Even the 154 was fun, although with some loss of stability.

 

As always, JMHO and YMMV.
 

Some ski makers make a woman's ski softer and lighter by removing a layer of metal. But whether it is softer wood or less metal, at the end of the day the ski is not gender specific it is light weight skier specific and the rest is just marketing to women by using girly graphics or girly names or both. Binding position and heel height can be adapted to any ski to make it more compatible for a woman's physic.

post #37 of 38
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

I didn't see anything on that site that told me anything about how this women's ski is different from a man's ski, just, "While women’s products have grown to more than 37% of adult ski sales, equipment suppliers have failed to introduce a significant innovation in the category for several years. Völkl introduces an entirely new concept, called Bio-Logic, that delivers a huge leap in performance PLUS the potential to reduce injury. 3 key attributes allow the new Bio-Logic system to create a revolutionary blend of improved performance and ease of use: Stance. Geometry. Flex."

 

Making up names doesn't make it different.  What is different about the geometry, flex and stance?  How is it an improvement?  Was I supposed to click on a link or something?  Or is it just a case of the old bullshit baffles brains marketing?  Show me the money.

Where the women's Volkls used to come out of the men's molds, A Tierra was an AC30, a Sol was an AC20 ect...With the introduction of the Bio-Logic, along with the ramp and binding placement difference, the ski also changes in flex but more so in taper, where these skis used to have a 10mm taper, they increased the tip and thinned the tail to a 20+mm taper. Are they "different"? YES! Are they better? Cannot honestly say. 

 

 

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Originally Posted by volklgirl View Post

All women's Volkls are 20% lighter and 20% softer than the comparable men's ski (done by adding stringers of lighter, softer wood in the core). The Bio-Logic system is a combination of lower heel height in the binding (less delta) and a greater taper angle to supposedly reduce specific stresses to the knee and reduce the likely-hood of phantom foot syndrome in a backward twisting fall (the direction most women fall due to lower/farther rearward center of gravity and normal tendency to lean backward, away from the thing they fear, i.e. the hill).

 

At least, that's their claim. I haven't actually done a back-to-back comparison of, say, the original Fuego vs. the Bio-Logic Fuego, so I can't speak to any of that from experience.

 

What I can speak to, though, is that the Fuego is a solid and beefy ski with lots of spunk and that length would not have been way to short for his weight as I LOVED the older model in the 161 cm and I outweigh him by (let's just say) a LOT. Even the 154 was fun, although with some loss of stability.

 

As always, JMHO and YMMV.
 

All BIO_LOGIC skis are 20/20% less than the mens. Next time in a shop, flex a Kenja and Kendo, the Kenja is at least as stiff if not stiffer than the Kendo. 

post #38 of 38
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

The study I read said that women have softer tissue in their knees and need to be careful about skiing on skis that add torque, but it said nothing about men's skis specifically. 

That is sincerely interesting, I had never heard about softer tissue in womens knees. I'll have to assume the article was referring to tendons and/or ligaments and cartilage which are all susceptible to season ending injuries. I remember an explanation from a doctor for the reason women were more susceptible to knee injury from skiing. He said that the femur (thighbone) in men runs rather straight or vertical between the hip and knee. In women to accomodate the birthing canal, the femurs form a slightly tapered "V" which puts a greater shock force on the knee during landings or twisting forces.

If softer tissue is true, then women have two reasons for greater incidence of knee injury during skiing.

I also viewed the video from Volkl. The adjusted more balanced stance and the narrower tails made sense. Only negative is the potential mental lull which could be created. I am now even more convinced of the importance for women of training in the gym before the ski season.

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