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The economic ignorance displayed in this post is mind boggling.....why only $15 an hour...if we are going to ask the wish fairy for the economically impossible let's just pay them all like NFL super stars.  We'll give them all contracts like Peyton Manning he gets a lot more than 4 weeks of vacation and substantially more than 15 an hour so why not??

 

Do you actually believe that Vail Resorts sets the prices of their real estate?  Real estate prices in the market are set by the buyers and what they are willing and able to pay.....no one forces them to buy real estate at some predetermined price.

 

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Why is it thread hijack to discuss economic impact on ski area after acquisition?

 

I noticed that some of "regulars" here are fast to issue "warnings" and stern little blue faces on every post not to their liking.

 

Regarding wages of $15/hr. (at least, I said), why not? I am a union member and look on companies not as "enemies" but as partners. Their job is to make profits for investors - fine, unions are trying to improve conditions and living wages for employees.  I also hold stock in MTN. You do not think that $15 wage is economically feasible, I happen to think it is and yet I am not issuing little blue faces and it is not "mind boggling" to me that people have different perspective on economic issues. 

 

Regarding the real estate comment, it is more of a "style" to finish comments on a cynical note aimed at VR's reputation as a real estate development company. I know, some of you don't get this - also fine with me. Thanks for a little primer how real estate market works - now I get it!

Again, nothing wrong with the fact that Vail acquired these properties, it might be good or bad. Other than improvements to infrastructure and services, I would  also like  to see improvements in working conditions and wages of employees that work very hard to provide us with great skiing experience and make our ski vacationing special and memorable. Everywhere you look, one of the biggest issues for seasonal VR employees is low pay.

 

I am withdrawing from any further discussion on this matter, do not want to make anybody upset with voicing opinions that are different than their own.

 

And, by the way Peyton Manning sucks - how about that for a thread hijack?

post #32 of 37
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And it would be great if Vail Resorts buys up all of North America resorts and we can ski "Epic North America Pass" for $600 !!!

 

No. That would not be great.

 

Also, fair bet that the Epic Pass would be less than $600 if they still had to compete with Breck and Keystone.  Summit County was hugely competitive with Vail before the merger, and much cheaper to ski. If was pretty easy to get $25 discount day passes to Summit County in the mid 90's.  That went away the instant Vail bought them.

post #33 of 37

I'm also a season pass holder to Afton Alps and live nearby in St Paul.   I'm excited for this, as I'm really hoping for some improvments at Afton in the next few years.

 

The hill is very short but with a lot of runs.   They have 18 lifts, but don't run more than 1/2 of them most of the time (they all run on the weekends).  

 

What they really need, is a tow rope for the terrain park, and 1-2 high speed quads.   A hotel on site would be nice, but IMO isn't really a must have for the hill.     I don't really know where they would put a hotel there.  

 

I'd love to see them expand a bit, but I don't think they will...

post #34 of 37
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No. That would not be great.

 

Also, fair bet that the Epic Pass would be less than $600 if they still had to compete with Breck and Keystone.  Summit County was hugely competitive with Vail before the merger, and much cheaper to ski. If was pretty easy to get $25 discount day passes to Summit County in the mid 90's.  That went away the instant Vail bought them.

I think the Epic Local (which is limited to 10 days at Vail/BC and mostly unlimited elsewhere) was $509 this spring and the Summit pass was something like $429- that`s pretty good when you look at what places like Steamboat, Aspen, Jackson, Park City, etc charge for their season passes.

 

As far as Summit County deals go, Copper was selling $40 tickets at the window to celebrate their 40th this past weekend and it is still easy to get 2 for 1s there and discounts to places like Loveland that puts daily cost in the $33-$50 range (which compares favorable to $25 mid-90s $).

post #35 of 37
I was at Afton today and it was interesting listening to some of the employees say, 'are we vail east now, no of course not, not since they bought that resort in Michigan, Vail midwest or Midwest vail more like it.'

Today was the first day as a Vail Resor company as I understand it and the few people I brushed the subject seemed positive. It will be nice to partake in some of the Epic benefits once it all gets sorted put if going out west is in ones agenda on a yearly basis.

Any upgrades to the facilities will definitely be a welcome plus for customers and I'm sure employees.

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post #36 of 37
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I think the Epic Local (which is limited to 10 days at Vail/BC and mostly unlimited elsewhere) was $509 this spring and the Summit pass was something like $429- that`s pretty good when you look at what places like Steamboat, Aspen, Jackson, Park City, etc charge for their season passes.

 

As far as Summit County deals go, Copper was selling $40 tickets at the window to celebrate their 40th this past weekend and it is still easy to get 2 for 1s there and discounts to places like Loveland that puts daily cost in the $33-$50 range (which compares favorable to $25 mid-90s $).

 

Yeah, it is pretty good, because they still have to compete with Winter Park, Copper, A-basin and Loveland.

 

Comparing pass prices for I-70 corridor resorts compared to the areas that get no day traffic from Denver or other major cities, which is the case with every resort you listed save Park City, is a completely different ballgame.

 

Season pass prices would still be lower if Vail/BC and Breck/Keystone were still separate entities.  Pre-merger, Summit advertised itself as a monolithic group and was a true competitor on equal footing to Vail. Now, Winter Park and Copper are second tier resorts that don't have the draw of Vail/Breck, and can only push prices lower by a limited extent (which is kind of a travesty as I think they are better places to ski).

post #37 of 37
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Yeah, it is pretty good, because they still have to compete with Winter Park, Copper, A-basin and Loveland.

 

Comparing pass prices for I-70 corridor resorts compared to the areas that get no day traffic from Denver or other major cities, which is the case with every resort you listed save Park City, is a completely different ballgame.

 

Season pass prices would still be lower if Vail/BC and Breck/Keystone were still separate entities.  Pre-merger, Summit advertised itself as a monolithic group and was a true competitor on equal footing to Vail. Now, Winter Park and Copper are second tier resorts that don't have the draw of Vail/Breck, and can only push prices lower by a limited extent (which is kind of a travesty as I think they are better places to ski).

So how much do you think a Vail/BC or Breck/KS pass would go for if they were separate entities?  One of the things that makes the Epic Local so appealing is that I can ski 5 different resorts within 15-45 minutes of my home.  Some of us even get 2 passes (or a four pack) to be able to hit additional resorts like Copper or LL (but most focus on just one pass product to save $).  Even if a Breck/KS only was $300 and a Vail/BC only was $350, that would still be more to get both than the Epic local (and you wouldn`t get A-Basin and the 3 Tahoe resorts)

 

One thing that frustrated me when I lived in No Cal was that (at the time) all the Tahoe season passes were for only one or two mountains.  If you wanted to regularly ski 3-5 mountains before some of the mergers/buy-outs, then it cost a lot more than the Epic Local.  

 

Yes, comparing pass prices to resorts without major city day traffic is a different ballgame, BUT I think it does illustrate the effects of competition and supply/demand.  If Copper was the only ski resort within 4 hours of Denver, then I would expect their season pass to be 3-5x as expensive as it is currently.  There are places on the East coast near big cities that have very high season pass prices compared to what we see along I-70.  Vail may be the market leader, but like you said, they still have to compete with WP, Copper, A-B and LL so the pass prices are very reasonable- can you name any season pass for quality skiing at 3-5+ resorts that goes for significantly less than the VR pass products?

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