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Are these soles planeable? Strange design

post #1 of 7
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When I took the heel tread off this boot I was surprised to find....it's hollow!  eek.gif

 

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I take it it's impossible to plane a sole like that to adjust canting?  Or is there a way to do it by adding a wedge shim?

 

(Just out of naive curiosity, why would someone design a boot like that?  It seems so complicated.  Wouldn't a simple flat interface be easier to design/build, and also to work with if you wanted to modify it?)

 

P.S.  The boot is Salomon Mission brand.

post #2 of 7

first of all, canting a salomon mission would be like riding a tricycle on a motocross track. good luck with that. 

 

the reason for this design is saving money in production. there is no compelling story for the end user about how these boots are built.

 

jim

post #3 of 7
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
first of all, canting a salomon mission would be like riding a tricycle on a motocross track. good luck with that.

smile.gif  Is that because of the hollow heel design, or because the boot is too soft for canting to make a difference?

post #4 of 7

too late to put the genie back in the bottle......most boot companies are building multi piece boots that allow for different design parameters to be accomplished. none of which happen to be better fit or performance, or workability by boot fitters.

 

soft is only one aspect. you also need the boot to touch the foot and lower leg somewhere to be able to get a read on cant assessment. i do not believe that was one of the design criteria used for the development of the mission boots.

 

i think the strategy meeting sounded more like this..... how big and sloppy could we make this design, so when consumers try it on in chain stores and retailers that cannot afford competent help, the boot will not touch them anywhere, so therefore they will think that these are the most comfortable boot ever made. also asked in the briefings was how could we increase our snowboard equipment sales? and the diligent boot designers came up with the concept of building ski boots that ski so poorly and fit so poorly for skiing that the skier would leave the sport of skiing and convert to snowboarding. and another design parameter that lead to the mission series was how could we build a boot so cheap that even people that don't ski would like the price so much they would buy them off the internet buy the millions.mad.gif

 

ps: when you switch to snowboarding the canting becomes unnecessary.wink.gif

 

jim

post #5 of 7
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post

too late to put the genie back in the bottle......

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how could we build a boot so cheap that even people that don't ski would like the price so much they would buy them off the internet by the millions.mad.gif

Jim, that was precious!!! ROTF.gif  I laughed so hard...but it's tragic too...maybe the right thing to do is laugh and cry at the same time smile.gif

I was advised, as a soon-to-be beginning master's racer, that I needed to get my canting adjusted.  So, being the kind of person that likes to at least try do things himself, and armed with LeMaster's and Witherell's books, started fooling around with that.  But after reading your fabulously witty reply, what I really need to do is waste less time on these boots and start looking for something more suitable.  I already wasted a day last year sanding and painting them blue to make them look like Lange's so people wouldn't laugh at me so much biggrin.gif

post #6 of 7

renenkel,

 

very few read between the lines to get my off beat sarcastic humor. thank you for that, and for not taking offense to my thrashing of your boot choice. (although, i am totally giving you the benefit of the doubt in that i do not believe you chose those boots. my belief is you were tricked into buying them by some unscrupulous ski shop north of da border der in canada eh?)

 

hard to do without seeing your foot, however if you are going to get serious about your skiing, you need a mono-injected design that fits as close as possible to your foot size and shape. that alone will be a huge improvement over your current boot. simply being able to command the ski through a solid linkage to your foot will change your skiing dramatically. from there you can squeeze out the last 10% with balancing and fit refinements.

 

jim

post #7 of 7

Renekel,  Jim is spot on (even with his sarcastic humour!) a boot with that much padding and that high a volume shell will never give you a great ski feel.... bit like size 31 boots, we all know they make them, they just don't make too many feet to fill them!

 

 

Jim,

scary as it may sound, last season i saw an Atomic B tech which had been planed by one of those unscrupulous shops up north you talk about...what a fricking mess it was!  the customer however thought it was great and wanted me to do him another pair.... i declined, my insurance ain't that good

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