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Intermediate level skier want recommedation for first ski

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

I am a recreational casual skier. I am in Hong Kong and will normally go to Japan 2~3 ski trip a year. 5~6 days skiing per trip. 

 

About myself:

- 169cm height, 80kg weight

- Intermediate level skier, can ski down red run without difficulty. Will struggle for black run.

- Start learning ski in powder. Not able to ski well in mougle.

- Only ski on piste. May not be skillful to ski off piste in coming 2~3 years.

- Normally does not ski fast. Not aggressive in skiing. Love cursing on trail.

- Want to improve my skills

- Want to use a easy to handle, stable skis.

 

Snow Condition in Japan

- Lot of new snow fall, reasonably thick snow

- Can have groomed trail

- Reasonably good powder with dry snow

 

Available ski model:

 

There are limited Ski models available in our local shops. However, I want to buy skis in local shop because:

- This can support local ski sport industry

- I want to have local support as I am new to skiing gears

 

I have short-listed the following models:

1. Nordica Fire Arrow 74

2. Head iPeak 78

3. Volkl RTM 75

4. Rossignol Alias 74 ( with 156 length only)

5. Rossignpl Experience 83

 

Other models available are:

- Rossignol Pursuit 11

- Nordica Hot Rod Igniter CA

- Nordica Hot Rod 74

- Head Icon TT

- Nordica Sport Machine

- Volkl Sensor series

- Volkl Code  PSI SMotion

 

I am new to ski selection. Demo before buying is not feasible. I want to buy them before my coming ski trip in early January. I very much appreciate your comments and opinion sharing.

 

Thanks

 

Andy

post #2 of 17
Hi
 
I would say all of those are pretty much piste oriented, and from what you described, you need something wider. Its typical of generic sports shop to have only few piste oriented models and limited selection.
 
Maybe you need to find a more specialized ski shop? If you are not demo, is it feasible to buy online?
 
 
From that list, I think the experience is the one handling the largest array of conditions.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by IceCookie View Post

Hi
 
I would say all of those are pretty much piste oriented, and from what you described, you need something wider. Its typical of generic sports shop to have only few piste oriented models and limited selection.
 
Maybe you need to find a more specialized ski shop? If you are not demo, is it feasible to buy online?
 
 
From that list, I think the experience is the one handling the largest array of conditions.

Thanks for the advices. I can also find Rossignol Experience 88 locally but it is too expensive. The Experience 83 is much more affordable in the local shop. 

 

If buying online, any recommendation?

 

Thanks.

post #4 of 17
Im not sure where can you buy online, you would need to find a place that delivers to Hong Kong, on top of all. The US shops will probably deliver only to US and the same for the european ones. Maybe a japanese or from NZ would deliver? I dont know, just giving some ideas
 
 
The Alias 74 is a good intermediate ski, only focused on piste. The sensor is a beginner ski, which I think it would be a waste of time. That Volkl Code is a nice piste ski, from what I could see when demo'ing the Speedwall cousing. But powder is not the department of any of those skis
 
 
You said demo is not an option regarding your local ski shop, but how about you send some emails to shops close to where you are going to ski (or check if they have websites, or if they can point you some shops, maybe even you can ask what kind of ski is popular with people skiing that area)? Maybe you can rent/demo for a couple of days there and then choose from what they have?
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by IceCookie View Post

You said demo is not an option regarding your local ski shop, but how about you send some emails to shops close to where you are going to ski (or check if they have websites, or if they can point you some shops, maybe even you can ask what kind of ski is popular with people skiing that area)? Maybe you can rent/demo for a couple of days there and then choose from what they have?

 

That is definitely what you should do.  It makes no sense to buy a ski that is not suited for where you are going to ski and the type of skiing you want to do just because that is what the local shop sells.  Based on your description of the conditions where you will be skiing I think you should be looking at nothing less than 85mm underfoot and maybe as wide as 95mm and 88-90mm should suit you just fine.  Fortunately there are many skis in that category and they are all pretty good.  The obvious choices are Elan Apex, Blizzard Buchwacker, Nordica Steadfast, Rossignol Experience 88, Salomon Rocker2 90, Atomic Nomad Crimson Ti, Dynastar Outland 87 or Cham 87.  Head probably makes on too but all I can find the Rev 90 which they claim is for expert skiers. These are the skis, from the major manufacturers, that you should be looking for.

post #6 of 17

I was at a recent ski show and the Rossi rep recommended for me the Experience 83. I'm an intermediate skier based in the midwest but goes to the Rockies once a year. I ski groomers But wanted a ski that could handle small levels of powder, ie a few inches of powder on top of the groomers before they get groomed.

post #7 of 17
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Originally Posted by andy2667 View Post

Thanks for the advices. I can also find Rossignol Experience 88 locally but it is too expensive. The Experience 83 is much more affordable in the local shop. 

 

If buying online, any recommendation?

 

Thanks.

 

 

You're not ready for the E88. The E83 is a better choice for now.

post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

Thank you for the recommendations and comments. I went to the Ski Shop this week end and bought the Volkl RTM 75 with 166 length at good price. I am going to bring my ski boots to the shop tomorrow for installation of binding. However, I have just gone through some online reviews and comments saying that this ski, although is forgiving and easy to handle, is for beginner skiers only! I am now a bit of concern of my purchase. I just called the shop and they allow me to exchange for other skis tomorrow.

 

I would be very grateful if you could share your experience on:

 

1. Whether the Volkl can be used for Advanced Intermediate Skier to Advanced Skier. If it is for beginner only, I will exchange it for others. Otherwise, the "Easy" character of this Ski is very suitable for me.

 

2. I am considering replace the RTM 75 by Head iPeak 78 Pro (165 length). The iPeak 78 should be suitable for Advance Intermediate to Advance skiers and may be more suitable for the Japan snow condition which is powdery. However, it is 60% more expensive. Is the iPeak worth the additional money? Is the iPeak as a easy to use ski as the RTM?

 

3. Apart from the iPeak 78 Pro, there are other Skis that I am considering:

- Rossignol Experience 83 which is a bit more expensive than the iPeak.

- Nordica FIre Arrow 80Ti (a bit expensive than the iPeak)

- Nordica Fire Arrow 74 (same price as the iPeak)

- Nordica Hot Rod Igniter, or 74 (A bit cheaper than the iPeak)

- Volkl RTM 77

- Dynastar Outland 80 Pro (cheaper than the iPeak)

Appreciate your comment on the above alternative choice

 

Thank you.

post #9 of 17

Hi

As per Volkl's website, nothing wrong with the RTM75 for intermediates.
http://www.volkl.com/us/skis/all-mountain/rtm/rtm-75.html

That said, I have never skied in any RTM. But I see the main diff is that the RTM75 is tip-n-tail rocker and RTM77 is full rocker (see the vid in that volk page)

In terms of cost, you would be better searching for skis from last season.

As people said, go wider would be good for you (just be careful that sometimes as you go wider, the skis also go stifer and focused on more adv skiers).

An adv ski will be more stiffer, will make you work hard, but will also perform better in speed, for example (less vibration).

From this last list I know none of those except the Dynastar Outland 80 Pro, which I own and I can say that I like it a lot. I've bought it for mixed conditions, I would say spring slush and poorly prepared pistes. Its very stable passing through crud and a damp ski in general (but havent tried it in powder, hope to next week!). There are 3 variants (80, 80 XT stiffer, 80 Pro stiffest). I like the 80 Pro and its quite an easy ski for me (even if its marked as advanced in some places), but I'm much heavier than you.

What you might want to watch is the binding range. The ski you mentioned has max DIN 10, and you might be a skier with DIN 7, which is ok, but it would be better if you were close to the middle. The Dinastar should come with NX12 or PX12 binding, which gives you max DIN 12.

You can play here with your DIN: http://www.dinsetting.com/


hope that helps

post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks IceCookie for the sharing. I think Outland 80Pro may be a bit stiff for me. In view of the price, I may now stick to the Volkl RTM 75 and try it for a while as it is said to be suitable for intermediate to advance level. Will not go to wider skis until I master better on my skills.

post #11 of 17

I would check out ebay for 1-3 year old models that are new old stock.  I just started back skiing after 25 years off the snow and was able to pick up some great deals on brand new equipment, Liberty Morphics $230.00, Elan 777 $120.00, this year I purchased a set of Line Influence 105's $320.00,  Look Pivot 14's $230.00.  Please note these were all brand new in the wrapper/box.  I can generally find the equipment I am looking for under 50% of the cost here in Canada.  The only draw back is you have to know exactly what you are looking for or be willing to take a bit of a gamble, read reviews, do your research and it will take most of the guess work out of it.  Best of luck!!!
 

post #12 of 17

I also believe that the Experience83 is a great ski for you.  It will give you some good performance now, while not demanding more of you than you are currently capable of.  Yet, it will give you a good amount of service as your skills improve.  I have skied it off piste and in variable snow with good results.  It is not as easy as a wider skin in deep snow, but the turn initiation is very easy, and it will give you reasonable performance in these conditions in Japanese snow.  If you can't arrange an opportunity to demo the ski before your trips, it is a pretty safe bet that you'll find it enjoyable for a while to come.  It's a great learning and teaching ski.

 

More importantly, I would suggest that you take lessons whenever possible to improve your skills before bad habits set in.

 

Enjoy your travels!!

post #13 of 17

One additional comment.  Many of the skiers on this blog are biased towards much higher levels of skills and are much more demanding of high performance from their skis.  Many of the skis you've mentioned like the FireArrow TI are quite demanding, and thus inappropriate and unforgiving for your skill level.  They'll make the sport harder than it needs to be for you.

 

You'll more often than not find the Experience83 comes in a package with the Rossignol Axium 100, Axium110 or Axium120 binding.  These are all suitable bindings to your skill level and have very easy step in after you release.  

 

Another ski you might find on sale is last season's 2011-2012 Rossignol Experience78 Aramide.  Expertskiers.com awarded this ski their "groomer cruiser ski of the year".  It gets bounced around a lot in choppy and heavy snow, but it is a very good ski for those wishing to focus on skills development and game improvement.  You may be able to find this ski in package with the Axium 110 binding for about $300USD.  It is a ski you may outgrow, but it is a very good learning ski.

 

J

post #14 of 17

The Rossi Experience 83s are on my wish list. I didn't like the 88s but the 83s were awesome.

post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks J for the sharing. The Experience 83 would be a good choice. Any comment on the Head iPeak 78 against the Experience 83? They cost nearly the same in our local shop.

Thanks
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
I did take lessons to try to improve my skills. I start lerning skiing in the indoor skiing training centre in Hong Kong uzing rotating carpet wedge machine. I joined the training class in ClubMed in Japan. Started Club 3 level last year. Escalated to Club 4 level in Jan this year. Will go there and join training class in early March next year. Expect to remain in Club 4 level.
post #17 of 17
The rocker in the Pwak series was controversial and not well loved in reviews here. I have. It personally skied that ski. I have spent time skiing the entire Experience series and enjoyed them very much. Enjoy your travels and let us know how it went.
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